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Academic Freedom, Harassment and GC academics - ask me any questions

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ProfJoPhoenix · 15/10/2021 09:49

Hi Mumsnetters

Jo Phoenix here - as in the academic cancelled by Essex and harassed by colleagues at the OU. I decided to join mumsnet because I know that several women here are supportive of what it is that we (GC academics) are going through and dealing with. I thought I would start a thread - a sort of ask me any question thread. I'll be making an announcement on twitter (@JoPhoenix1) on Sunday morning that you might find interesting. What's happened to Kathleen Stock has left all of us reeling and I am going to do something that, I hope, will help. Watch this space.

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lostandfoundedges · 17/10/2021 09:11

Would I be right to surmise that Dr Blaxter may have a more than academic interest in this subject?

Igneococcus · 17/10/2021 09:08

Looking at the few comments that have been published so far, this isn't going as well as Tam might have hoped for.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/10/2021 09:07

Dr. Blaxter’s letter to the Times when asserting that “ Stock’s view of sex as immutable and binary is regressive and discriminatory — and at odds with science.”

Let's just say I no longer see Cambridge as a top university. He may not be a scientist but it is a basic scientific fact that I would expect any adult to grasp.

BlueBrush · 17/10/2021 09:03

Welcome, Jo, and support for you here today if you need it. Thank you so much for what you're doing. Quite aside from my GC views, the last couple of years have driven home to me the importance of teaching the next generation critical-thinking and the value of evidence-based research. None of us should be scared to debate and critique viewpoints that we ourselves find uncomfortable. All power to you and other academics taking that on!

Tedimhoardingrightsosaur · 17/10/2021 08:59

@LessthanJurassicPark

Why do transactivists focus their hatred on gc women when the physical violence they face doesn’t generally come from women?
Women's strength and the personal boundaries we put in place are the barrier between ourselves (our bodies, minds, money etc) and men; and between children and men, we are generally the gatekeepers. They can take what we have by force, but it is better all round if they grind us down, gaslight us and we capitulate. We are the Winston Smiths.
Igneococcus · 17/10/2021 08:49

I looked up Tam Blaxter too, I don't know why Tam thought people wouldn't check Tam's credentials.

NecessaryScene · 17/10/2021 08:47

Because it is women that are in their way.

Absolutely. Here's Helen Joyce writing about that - an extract from Trans published in Quillette.

In Galileo’s Middle Finger, Dreger offers another insight: since autogynephilia involves a fantasy of truly becoming, or already being, a woman, any reference to it can be experienced as an insult. “There’s a critical difference between autogynephilia and most other sexual orientations: most other orientations aren’t erotically disrupted simply by being labelled,” she writes. “When you call a typical gay man homosexual, you’re not disturbing his sexual hopes and desires. By contrast, autogynephilia is perhaps best understood as a love that would really rather we didn’t speak its name.”

This explains why such rage is mostly directed at women, even though it is men who commit almost all anti-trans harassment and violence. Blanchard’s observations of extremist trans activism in recent years have led him to believe that the leaders are mostly autogynephiles. Their anger results from “envy of women and resentment at not being accepted by women as one of them,” he has tweeted. “They direct their ire at women because it is women who frustrate their desires. Men are largely irrelevant.”

Tanith · 17/10/2021 08:40

It’s misleading of Dr. Tam Blaxter to use Dr. Blaxter’s Cambridge credentials in Dr. Blaxter’s letter to the Times when asserting that “ Stock’s view of sex as immutable and binary is regressive and discriminatory — and at odds with science.”

Dr. Blaxter is not a Biologist; Dr. Blaxter is a research fellow in the Language Sciences department. Dr. Blaxter is deliberately using Dr. Baxter’s Cambridge connection to pretend an expertise Dr. Blaxter does not have.

I prefer Professor Robert Winston’s statements of fact. He at least knows what he’s talking about and he has the expertise to back up his opinion.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/10/2021 08:26

@LessthanJurassicPark

Why do transactivists focus their hatred on gc women when the physical violence they face doesn’t generally come from women?
Because it is women that are in their way.
Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 17/10/2021 08:24

@LessthanJurassicPark

Why do transactivists focus their hatred on gc women when the physical violence they face doesn’t generally come from women?
Because being intellectually threatened (see reports from the Sussex University Open Day masked protest yesterday - this is apparently Professor Stock's crime, that she's 'intellectually threatening' Hmm) is just as bad, nay worse actually, than being threatened with physical violence. Nobody on the receiving end of one of those memes where an anime character points a gun towards the reader should find this a problem as it's obviously a rhetorical device. See also: gender critical people create a climate where violence against trans people can flourish. Quite how is never explained.
LessthanJurassicPark · 17/10/2021 08:02

Why do transactivists focus their hatred on gc women when the physical violence they face doesn’t generally come from women?

HeronLanyon · 17/10/2021 07:56

Support Jo and thank you all brave women mentioned in the article and countless others - also support to those silenced.

MidsomerMurmurs · 17/10/2021 07:49

We will not bow to trans activist bullies on campus

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d6b143b4-2cf1-11ec-98f2-b73d74f1f44d?shareToken=f6056c926bae52581553540172c9eb59

morningtoncrescent62 · 17/10/2021 07:46

Does anyone have a share token for the letter linked to in the article?

morningtoncrescent62 · 17/10/2021 07:43

@BettyFilous

It says Jo Phoenix is preparing to launch a test case at employment tribunal against OU for failing to protect her from harrassment at work.
Shovel at the ready in case of need.
334bu · 17/10/2021 07:30

Thank you for share token.

BettyFilous · 17/10/2021 07:26

It says Jo Phoenix is preparing to launch a test case at employment tribunal against OU for failing to protect her from harrassment at work.

CatsOperatingInGangs · 17/10/2021 07:25

“Jo Phoenix, 57, a professor of criminology, is preparing to launch a test case at an employment tribunal against the Open University for allegedly failing to protect her from a “public campaign of harassment that has made my working life unbearable”

CatsOperatingInGangs · 17/10/2021 07:22

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/200-academics-tell-of-death-threats-and-abuse-as-battle-rages-for-free-speech-hp99fnzjh

Could be this? I can’t find a share token sorry

Sparkyduchess · 17/10/2021 00:38

Hi Jo

Can you spill now it’s officially Sunday morning?

BodyWithVagina · 16/10/2021 15:06

I was considering going back to academia (I’m currently in the private sector) but I’ve decided I can’t.

I wonder how many more people they’re losing (or not attracting).

MidsomerMurmurs · 16/10/2021 14:15

Will be watching with interest. I'm an academic and left UCU months ago because of the increasing misogyny.

prudencepuffin · 16/10/2021 12:21

Hello Jo - another one who would like to express solidarity with you and also of course with Kathleen Stock.
Will be really interested to hear what you have to say tomorrow and hoping with fingers crossed that this is some kind of turning point where we reach sunnier uplands in our universities. I think others have asked the questions I would have put to you already.

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