Word Mother removed from Scottish governement Policies

@MamsellMarie. They refer to birth father's once and that is in the shared parental leave section. Again I assume it escaped their notice.

I'm writing to the diversity and inclusion work team to raise my concerns. There's other policies such as an inclusive language guide which gives the choices of sex as male, female or intersex. This reference to "intersex" alludes to it being a third sex/ outside the binary when we scientifically know that "intersex" or those with DSDs, as most prefer, are still either biologically male or female. There's also a part that references sex assigned at birth which is nonsensical as science tells us sex is allocated at conception. Sex assigned at birth conflates sex with gender. You can't change sex. That's before I even get onto the menopause policy that states 3 in 4 people experience menopause symptoms.... 🙄

According to the Telegraph it is maternity policies. But I assume other doc will be changed too.

www.mygov.scot/maternity-paternity-parental-leave
www.gov.uk/working-when-pregnant-your-rights
I always struggle with the Scot gov stuff, am never sure that I am reading the latest info.
These two refer to employees and pregnant employees and parental leave. Not mother or fathers.
Don't mothers and fathers get different leave? Seems it could get complicated.

forwomen.scot/

The Times articles are good but why are Scottish papers not covering this - I suspect it's because they are pro independence, this reflects badly on the greens and SNP. Also I haven't come across info on ANY other country going down this path - there was an article in a Canadian paper but I think it was based on the Scottish news item.

can anyone help me out with a link to the policy where the word mother has been removed? I've looked on Scot Gov website and can't see anything. I'm going to write to my MSPs about this but I wanted to refer to the original document. I'm sure I've seen it linked to somewhere but can't find it now!

If they are, I will cancel my sub, and it's £26 so not small change.

I hope the Times is not going the same way as the Guardian and Independent.

I wish they were more transparent as to their processes

My other theory is that i have been flagged. So maybe there's a setting of 'trans'. An article is tagged as trans. I am known to comment in violation of their policy on trans tagged articles. Therefore on an article where no moderator is available or resources are constrained, mine are automatically removed.

I also wrote that the trans identifying male in question clearly had deep mental health problems and that had nothing to do with being a woman. And that trans identifying so often seems to go with these mental health issues and problem childhoods. Gone. It's all quite desperate. The only trans identifying male I know of (friend of a friend) had a bad childhood, is an alcoholic and his life is in pieces. Now at the age of 40, he's decided he's a woman. Everyone knows it's nonsense but you're not allowed to say it.

Yep. Last Sunday I commented that watching three hours of porn isn't something any woman does. A short conversation took place. Checked back that evening - evaporated.

I also have had comments entirely disappear from the Times. No 'your comment violated our policy'. Just gone. I feel something funny is going on. I think the company running the comment section doesn't like our comments......... And because I haven't actually done anything wrong, they simply erase from the record. Obviously can't substantiate that all.

Comments are switched off on the original article and are no longer visible. Is that something that normally happens after a few days?

Birthing person is no different to calling us breeders.

I know many life long snp voters who were very pro sturgeon up until a couple of years ago and now spoil ballots or don’t vote directly because of this.

Her implication that it’s a positive that the older generation of voters will be dead soon is like spitting image without the irony.

I can still see the article but the comments have now gone

Hmmm

Why is the word mother verboten but not maternity? That makes no sense.

Pink news person says lesbians and gay men find this important. Do they?

Lesbians are... Female! And generally one woman has the baby. Is the mother. Currently in law. I can't see a lesbian who is having/ has had a baby getting referred to as the baby's mother... In the home both women have a variation of mum generally IME.

Gay men? Well saying one of the couple is the mother surely isn't seen as something to push for? I can't see that at all. Daddy and dad etc.

As ever look at the inconsistencies and diversions.

Mother is wanted to mean something else.
Lesbian and gay couples who have a baby can't see this as an issue for the couples in what they are referred to as in hosp.

TM is also a red herring. Only mentioned to support something else. Hardly any.

Sooo.

I reckon surrogacy.

Law here is woman who has the baby is mother. In law.
This means she has a place on records, and if she decides to keep the baby she can.

Push is for laws here to be more USA. Contractual giving 'certainty' to the couple that the baby is for.
Woman has no rights to baby. Further, some contracts the 'commissioning' parents can make decisions like whether or not to terminate any in case of multiple pregnancy. (Want lots of babies can say no against medical advice re risk to mother and other foetuses. Change mind can decide abort. Etc)

Mother is also an emotive word. A fundamental to mammals. Deep reactions to mother and babies being separated on nature progs. And for many. With humans.

Need words that don't invoke those feelings so much.

Gestational carrier is popular.

That's what this is about.

And. Interestingly the desire to separate the baby from the mother in thinking. Is also used by anti abortion types. Esp in USA. Always a pic of foetus floating in space. The fact it's inside a woman is deliberately avoided at all costs.

Exact same approach .
Both about controlling women to get something they want.

if someone is a trans man who gives birth it is inappropriate to label them as a mother because that is not the way that they would describe themselves.

If a biological woman utilises their biology to grow a child and birth it, then they are a mother. I honesty cannot comprehend how someone with such dysphoria can tolerate going through what is a uniquely female experience. This removal of language for a tiny, tiny, tiny minority is outrageous, and I hope more people are opening their eyes to it now.

How about non- people who give birth. Sturgeon and her crew plus Stonewall UK would love it.