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AIBU to start a music thread? There are some great female artists out there who explain what it's really like to be a woman. (And it's not about wearing makeup and dresses and looking cute).

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Ilovemycatsomuch · 14/10/2021 22:10

m.youtube.com/watch?v=AqAJLh9wuZ0

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NoWireHangersEver · 15/10/2021 23:20

Omg my time has come!

Here to introduce everyone to my favourite singer Nina Hagen - she's officially gender critical and involved in the Detransitioners Alliance, which I think must be a first for a big music personality!

She's a German classically trained soprano with a vocal range of about six octaves (!) who branched into a punk career in the late 70s - many know her as the Mother of Punk - and has also dabbled in gospel, disco, progressive-ish rock, and Hindu mantras.

A lot of her most interesting music is in English as she lived in the USA for a while, but she never really made it in the West as IMO she should have (she's always had a devoted circle of gay fans though). I'd love to see a gender-critical renaissance of her work! Obviously it varies a lot in genre but it's all extravagant, satirical and absolutely hilarious.

Her most typically feminist song is originally in German but I'll put a translated bit here - 'Unbeschrieblich Weiblich' (Indescribably Womanly):

'Marlene had another plan
Simone Beauvoir said: God Forbid!
And before the first children's cry
I must free myself first
And momentarily I feel
Indescribably female
Why should I fulfill my duty as a woman?
For who?
For them?
For you?
For me?
I don't feel like fulfilling duty
Not for you
For for me
I have no duty'

Going to post links to my favourite live performance and my favourite English song from her, let me know if you'd like more recommendations because I honestly know her discography like the back of my hand at this point Smile. I only got into her music in mid 2019 so it was a nice surprise to hear about her GC beliefs a few months later!

youkiddingme · 15/10/2021 22:45

This is now my wind-down before bed thread. Flowers

Jaysmith71 · 15/10/2021 10:46

The Divine Tracey:

weaselwords · 15/10/2021 10:44

PJ Harvey’s “While Under Ether” is about terminating a pregnancy, which is such a uniquely female thing to have to do.

WarriorN · 15/10/2021 10:37

More about Billy, I think she's really interesting.

www.nme.com/features/music-interviews/billy-nomates-interview-tor-maries-radar-2708995

Tesla73 · 15/10/2021 10:34

I'd like to add Chelsea Wolfe (not the the trans BMXer), Emma Ruth Rundle, Sandy Denny, Kate Bush, Fiona Apple, Tori Amos, Wendy & Lisa, Sheila E (one of the best drummers out there), Lisa Germano, Hurrah For The Riff Raff, Bats For Lashes

WarriorN · 15/10/2021 10:31

Heels!

Ilovemycatsomuch · 15/10/2021 10:30

Meant to say @WarriorN 😁

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WarriorN · 15/10/2021 10:29

No. (Thank you!)

AIBU to start a music thread? There are some great female artists out there who explain what it's really like to be a woman. (And it's not about wearing makeup and dresses and looking cute).
Ilovemycatsomuch · 15/10/2021 10:29

Loving it 😍

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WarriorN · 15/10/2021 10:27

Billy Nomates!

www.theguardian.com/music/2020/aug/01/one-to-watch-billy-nomates

I'd be devastated to hear she's a tra; I really suspect she's not.

BraveBananaBadge · 15/10/2021 09:24

Two from Peggy Seeger, if you can link to more than one in a post!:

Ilovemycatsomuch · 15/10/2021 07:54

m.youtube.com/watch?v=A4C4NiVKrXk

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Ilovemycatsomuch · 15/10/2021 07:49

@chilling19 amazing

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Ilovemycatsomuch · 15/10/2021 07:42

@Syeknom

Ahhhhhh tunnnnneeee!!!

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Syeknom · 15/10/2021 07:32

A link to I'm just a girl by No Doubt.
Such good lyrics.

Ilovemycatsomuch · 15/10/2021 04:08

@Misknit wow thank you, I literally never heard that before but I'm so glad I heard it now 😲🤗

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Ilovemycatsomuch · 15/10/2021 01:58

m.youtube.com/watch?v=FrZzbF_sMiQ

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Duckypoohs · 15/10/2021 01:57
Duckypoohs · 15/10/2021 01:54

[quote Misknit]Amanda Palmer has written some really powerful songs about the female experience. Some would need a trigger warning. But I think I can safely share this one about self acceptance.

[/quote] I love Amanda, she has an interview in the series I posted, really interesting.
Duckypoohs · 15/10/2021 01:49

There's a great series on YouTube called women of rock oral history or something, some really great interviews.

Ilovemycatsomuch · 15/10/2021 01:43

@BreadInCaptivity loving your contributions too.

Let's keep this going xxxx

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BreadInCaptivity · 15/10/2021 01:39

Fab contributions - especially loving The Pill.

Ilovemycatsomuch · 15/10/2021 01:30

The thread is for women and girls, to post songs about being a woman or a girl.

Generally about how being a girl or woman has made your life harder than if you were a man.

To be honest, I personally find it completely unbelievable that any male could even consider giving up his extreme privilege to become a woman. And even if he does, he still hasn't had the prejudice and stereotypes since the day he was born.

I'm not allowed to say what I think cos I could get arrested.

That's why I'm asking Taylor swift, to talk about the man, and Beyoncé to talk about if I was a boy, and Madonna what it feels like for a girl

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Ilovemycatsomuch · 15/10/2021 01:22

Ok I'm sorry.

I'm scared of getting arrested if I say what I mean!!

This is a thread for women. Females, girls, ladies, women.....people born with vulva and womb.

Not a thread for people with male genitalia who identify as women. And I'm very sorry if I offend anyone by saying that.

This is a thread for women who have always been women who can identify with the discrimination and harassment that we experience every single day.

The reason I started a music thread is because musicians can put our experience in to words so well.

I cannot say that this "is not a thread for people born with male genitalia who identify as women " because I could be arrested for that. I'm scared of being arrested that's why I'm unclear.

My thread is for women who have experienced discrimination for being women and want to share some music and YouTube videos about their experience.

Actually fuck it......my point is that men who transition to female have never ever ever experienced being treated as a 2nd class citizen, sexual harassment from a child....I can't even begin explaining the disadvantage of being a girl......ohhh unless you are growing up with very woke middle class environment!!!

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