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Is the Trans Issue like Brexit?

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LaetitiaASD · 13/10/2021 22:08

Brexit relied on being everything to as many people as possible. They never made any one specific promise, you could vote brexit if you hated immigration, or hated the alleged bureaucracy (it's not that big), of feared for an eu army, or turkey joining, or you wanted to wave a st george's cross or you hated political correctness etc etc.

TRAs are the same. They cannot actually specifically define what they believe or what they want. They rely 100% on vagueness and never actually saying anything concise and definitive.

Maybe this is obvious, but it just occurred to me.

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beastlyslumber · 14/10/2021 05:59

@NandJ

Yes in the way that if you aren't on the "good" side (Remain/TWAW) you're labelled as vermin subjected to abuse up to and including death/rape threats.

Even as a Remain voter myself I'd rather be stuck in a lift with a Brexity blokey than a Remainer wokey. More chance of coming out in one piece.

Exactly this.
NandJ · 14/10/2021 05:21

Yes in the way that if you aren't on the "good" side (Remain/TWAW) you're labelled as vermin subjected to abuse up to and including death/rape threats.

Even as a Remain voter myself I'd rather be stuck in a lift with a Brexity blokey than a Remainer wokey. More chance of coming out in one piece.

NiceGerbil · 14/10/2021 05:10

@PickAChew

I agree it's equally, if not more toxic but nothing in the Brexit debate was based in scientific truth.
It wasn't about science. It was about many things- economics, views on society, views on the EU, etc

No science involved. I mean hard science. Eg sex existing.

GCAcademic · 14/10/2021 05:09

There is certainly a great deal of prioritising feelings over facts in both cases.

NiceGerbil · 14/10/2021 05:08

I drew this comparison the other day!

Totally different reasons though.

Mine were-

Not party political. In the parties there were strong views for/ against each side.

Ditto public. Across the board voters for certain parties did not have anywhere near a uniform position.

Issue was about something outside party politics. Feelings were due to many factors. And not at all really to do with political leanings.

This issue is the same. It's outside political leanings/ voting etc.

It's about women, across the board.

And those pushing it are mainly men. The women supporting are... Generally a distraction. If this hadn't been pushed by the groups it has been, I really can't imagine women would have come up with it and pushed it. And if they had. It wouldn't have got anywhere much as who listens to what women want?

PickAChew · 13/10/2021 23:15

I agree it's equally, if not more toxic but nothing in the Brexit debate was based in scientific truth.

IvyTwines2 · 13/10/2021 22:23

It feels like part of the same sort of new, horrible, toxic style of 'politics' where you have to be 100% on one side or the other and no grey area or middle ground of discussion is allowed. And I do wonder if the feeling of impotent anger from some very heavily Remain-campaigning male, middle aged blue tick accounts is now being redirected at women.

LobsterNapkin · 13/10/2021 22:21

I can't say that this seems a useful comparison to me. It's true that there are different reasons people thought a leave vote was a good idea, and various reasons people argue for gender ideology. But you could say that about 99% of issues.

One way they are similar is a tendency to demonize people who don't toe the liberal progressive line.

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