14th October 'Nolan Investigates' podcast - Stonewall?

Skipped to the Ofcom episode. This is dynamite.

Ofcom told Stonewall that they were helping LGBT rights by taking action against a local radio station as a presenter had said that they would be uncomfortable with their 6 year old child not changing in a single sex changing room.

Heads should roll.

If Hurcum and Cohen and others also thought he was on 'their' side, they would have been happy to talk to him, thinking he would present what they said in the most positive (for them) way.

I had to google Owen because I had never heard of Owen but now I have seen Owen it's totally opaque to me what sex Owen actually is. I have literally no idea.

Help me someone? Is it the sex that normally gets shit like being Mayor handed to them if they fancy it or is it the one that gets death threats if they say stuff?

So in other words he probably listened to a man he knew rather than immediately take the word of Dr Nic or whoever was on the show before.

I suppose it's also possible that whilst being broadly sympathetic to the issue he's someone who takes a dim view on this sort of underhand lobbying no matter the issue.

Hang on, apparently now Hurcum "identifies as transsexual".

At what age Mayor Owen Hurcum did you realise you were non-binary?

5 or 6 played dress up. At 12 he realised something uncomprehensible but it sounds like their self-identity is mixed up with their sexuality, "attracted to people of all genders". "The euphoria I feel when I mess around with those gender stereotypes."

How an earth did Nolan and his team get all these people to speak to them in such a revealing way?

I was wondering that.

How an earth did Nolan and his team get all these people to speak to them in such a revealing way?

I'd guess it's a combination of it being the BBC and not a known GC reporter, and people like Owen being so completely sure that they are right.

Listening to ep 2.

Marking homework as could do better then at the bottom of each page flogging expensive tickets so they can do better next time.

Not very far removed from a ponzi scheme set up, as we've said on here for a long time.

I hope it gets wider coverage. Radio maybe? A TV doc would be good.

Mayor Owen Hurcum now on making an utter fool of themselves.

How an earth did Nolan and his team get all these people to speak to them in such a revealing way?

Listening now - this is so clearly explained. No debate means nothing can be scrutinised.

I wish they'd grasp another basic point. Putting to one side that there are 2 sexes, when you look at gender identity, and if you believe they exist, then there is no limit to the number there might be, in the same way that there is no limit to the number of personalities there might be.

Anyone going to point their headteachers in the direction of these tomorrow?

I have a feeling that quite a lot of organisations will be questioning their relationship with Stonewall tomorrow morning. The podcast covers an awful lot of what we've been saying on here for years. With a bit of luck there'll be headlines and a lot of back-tracking.

Just give me a sense of what it [two-spirit] means?...

BC: Ah, err, it's how they're describing themselves.

I have to listen to this asap. Is there any episode that covers the NHS? Our trust is trying to force participation in the stonewall d&I questionnaire/survey. I briefly flicked through it- all about gender but nowhere to put your biological sex which surely renders any data collected totally moot. By that I mean that if twaw/tmam and identify that as their gender and then whatever their sexuality is then what relevance is the data to see if the organisation is discriminating against trans people? I can't believe my trust is wasting time on this when we have a MASSIVE ongoing investigation about proven racism within certain sites and departments and we're pissing around collecting data to get a sticker that tells you nothing.

I haven’t listened yet but didn’t have high hopes as every time I have heard speak on this issue he has to my mind been firmly in the pro self ID / anti women camp. Wonder what has made him change his mind?

on episode 2. And Julie Bindel on zoom in 10. Shit where do I go. Am riveted here.

They've arrived at the key point: If none of this stuff actually means anything then crack on yourself but keep it away from being used in practice.

Good bit about Wi Spa in ep 3, and now onto Laurel Hubbard.

This is the first time I have listened to a BBC podcast, I wonder if their listener numbers will be higher (not just because of me!)

Let's hope this gets plenty of coverage and puts some courage into other journalists

It was Stonewall.

I am enjoying this so much. Benjamin Cohen being asked "what does 2 spirit actually mean?" and being clueless is a real highlight.