14th October 'Nolan Investigates' podcast - Stonewall?

Oh.
That rather puts a different spin on it. :(

Still I did learn stuff esp. the idea that this is a “community” identity, etc.

Hurcum's pearls of wisdom about the validity of "gender fuck" identities must have convinced all reasonable people of... something.

[quote OldCrone]As he was the UK's first non-binary mayor, I tried to see which political party he stood for but couldn't find it.

He was originally a member of Plaid Cymru, but after harassing Helen Mary Jones (then a Plaid MS) in the run up to the Senedd elections in May, he left the party.

More background here:

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/owen-hurcum-is-a-vicious-male-bully[/quote]
Thank you for the link: a very interesting, yet depressing read!

As he was the UK's first non-binary mayor, I tried to see which political party he stood for but couldn't find it.

He was originally a member of Plaid Cymru, but after harassing Helen Mary Jones (then a Plaid MS) in the run up to the Senedd elections in May, he left the party.

More background here:

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/owen-hurcum-is-a-vicious-male-bully

And you know what? What he said is rapey shit about it not being of any relevance to anyone but medical staff.

We know that most trans women who get assaulted do so during a sexual encounter with a man who doesn't realise they're trans.

Whatever Owen thinks, genitals and sex matter to most people.

I didn't think the non binary person in episode 4 was that bad. S/he seemed alright when talking about him/herself and shied away from having opinions about other people.

I was expecting someone aggressive and monstrous!

anyway it was good in that it didn't make me angry and helped me understand a bit what all those "non-binary" teenagers are telling themselves.

Another thing that occurred to me. I wonder if ofcom pulling out of stonewall is a direct result of this podcast. And Ben Hunte leaving the BBC.

That said, despite news coverage saying they will, I don't think I've read any confirmation that the bbc has left the diversity champions scheme.

Martina (on twitter) was asking how to get a hold of the podcasts! 😁

I've just finished listening to the whole thing. Absolutely brilliant bit of investigative journalism. They should win an award for it.

It doesn't matter what you think about stonewall.

The question is: should a lobby group drive policy at a) a regulator and b) a state-funded broadcaster whose central remit is independence?

Clearly not. And that is what is so clever about this podcast. This is the Trojan horse Nolan has used to air all the other discussions.

LOJ can huff and puff as much as he likes but even he can't defend a lobbying group being allowed to dictate public policy. It goes against everything he believes in.

Check mate.

Quote Laetitia ASD 'I categorically would not wish to discriminate or breach the law, but equally I would find it incomprehensible if someone voted tory, believed in god or believed in stonewall and was cable of logically looking at facts.'

Are you sure you really mean this? So with the other 3 parties actively trying to erase women as a sex class with self-id, you cannot fathom that someone who voted Tory would be capable of logically looking at facts...?
I think maybe you need to apply some critical thinking yourself.

Just listened to the first 3 on YouTube.

Clearly it is unacceptable to ask people if they believe in god and cross them off the list if they say yes. Is it legal to choose to not hire someone because they show such massive lack of judgement that they mention their religion unprompted in an interview? (Similarly I would have no problem if I found out a staff member used legal porn in the privacy of their own home and outside of working hours... but if they brought their porn hobby up in the interview then I'd cross them off the list!)

Thank you all!

Alektopteryx kindly provided a link upthread:

www.bbc.co.uk/contact/comments-feedback/#/Your%20comment

Alternatively you could write directly to Tim Davie, Director-General of the BBC:

[email protected]

Since he was appointed he's been consistent in saying that impartiality of the BBC is very important.

With that in mind, one thing you might want to include is a comment about impartiality and how this podcast series reflects the best of the BBC and it operating in line with the Royal Charter.

[email protected]

i've just this moment emailed them, having had a very similar experience to you, @HH76ds31. feels amazing to finally be able to speak about this more widely!

I used this:

www.bbc.co.uk/contact/comments-feedback/#/Your%20comment

Can anyone recommend the best contact details to use for thanking the BBC? I’d like to include the two journalists.
For the first time in the many years I have been aware of these issues, my partner and I have been able to bring it up in conversation with others, thanks entirely to Stephen Nolan finally legitimising the having of a debate. As it turns out our friends completely agree with our GC views. But the key point is that he has enabled the conversation to be had. I don’t mind if people disagree with me, we don’t all agree on everything, ever. But no more #nodebate.

This in the Times: BBC podcast host Stephen Nolan was warned about reporting on Stonewall

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8d125c16-342b-11ec-a1f1-3deca2439cf5?shareToken=d091869dd62e96098d6f3577565a78c0

And this article which states that the podcast is one of the most popular in the UK:

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/stephen-nolan-transgender-series-now-among-most-popular-in-gb-–-as-fellow-bbc-man-william-crawley-circulates-criticism/ar-AAPQhWJ?ocid=st

Good for Stephen Nolan and David Thompson for showing the BBC how to BBC!

Nolan Investigates review — examining Stonewall, brick by brick

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d76b182e-3274-11ec-afd6-aa3ee2eb8a34?shareToken=702d47451fc18a3850ef98ecb994e491

From the Times today

For anyone who doesn't have the time to listen to all of them, FPFW has produced condensed transcripts of all 10 episodes.

fairplayforwomen.com/stonewall-transcripts/

Is Ben an employer? Really? I don’t think he mentioned it. 😂

It’s also worth mentioning as I’m not sure if you’re aware, that Ben Cohen is an employer. I’m sure you’re not an employer, but Ben Cohen is.

For what it’s worth, I actually think that a GC column in Pink News would be interesting to their readers and a positive addition to the publication. The thing that I hate most about all of this is that there is no debate or discussion.