14th October 'Nolan Investigates' podcast - Stonewall?

Oh no! I don't think I could put up with more O.H.

Q: "so as a NB person do you sometimes feel more female some days and more male on other days?"
O.H. "me me no not me personally, I actually never experience feeling male or female that's how I know I'm NB me me...."
Stop the planet! EVERYONE else constantly feels maley or femaley otherwise how would we know?

Also I couldn't tell AT ALL what sex this person was, not at all, especially from their voice alone.

What's with the clappy thing?

Is it like Bono on stage?

Bono: Every (clap) Time I (clap) clap my hands (clap), An African child dies.....

Heckler: ...Well stop fucking clapping, then!

Owen Hurcum is back in Episode 8, dedicated to them being in "debate" with Debbie Hayton. No biological women involved, plus ca change.

Hurcum is out of their depth, just filibustering most of the time. Debbie is pretty good, she does pick Owen up now and then, e.g., on the hackneyed suicide claim, but doesn't really challenge for evidence. It's frustrating to listen to, you just want someone who will go for the jugular on that bloody false stat, because it's the one that always brings everything back to the, "Can't you just be kind and stop killing us?" emotional blackmail.

Having said that, the 2 presenters do really seem to get it, they are asking all the right questions, and they are particularly good on the right to girls' privacy (in the absence of any actual women to bring it up). Owen gives not 1 fuck for anyone else, certainly not women or girls. Owen has to resort to a "some women are perverts too" type argument on that one. Owen also gets snippy with Debbie about their pronouns, which is hilarious, because when it's David Thompson's turn to do the questioning, he addresses them collectively as "guys". Made me chuckle.

(It's so flipping hard trying to write and not misgender the special people! I've had to read that back and amend it about 6 times!)

SW have acknowledged it. Mature👏as👏ever👏 (Perhaps that's why they didn't take part. Emojis and ''U OK hun'' doesn't really work in discussions with actual grown ups.)

Oh, and the BBC are a ''hate group'' now..

Cohen is an employer too - who knew?

Cohen is so up his own backside!

Cohen trying to persuade Nolan that the Director General might have a meeting with Nolan and call Nolan she all the way through the meeting. This is apparently the justification for pronouns.

Cohen is sonuo his own backside he has no idea how stupid he is.

I love that they are actually pushing back on the assertions made that normally go unchallenged. Cohen cited the Taylor v Jaguar Land Rover as “case law” and Nolan had already bothered to contact the EHRC who advised it didn’t set president as only a lower court and warned against relying on it as case law. Shame JLR didn’t appeal it!

Just about to start listening.

Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but what's fascinating to me is Stephen Nolan's Twitter feed... lots of polite 'very disappointed in you Stephen'.. no death threats, no cancellations, no abuse.

Now, why would that be?

‘David Bell versus the lack of argument’ sounds like a book...

Oh my days. Listening to episode 4 and laughing out loud - I mean how did anyone else listen to Owen and vote for Owen?

Oh yes - I remember the local orange lodge used to do a nice parade through our town...🙄

One of the things which really stands out is the clarity of argument and articulacy of David Bell versus the lack of argument and inability to define ideas of Benjamin Cohen and the mayor. The bit where Cohen was asked to define 'two spirit' was truly special.

Did they not do sex education at school ten/fifteen years ago?

That’s the only reason I can think of that people are actually saying ‘I am attracted to - who I attracted to... so that makes me... special! When’s my parade?’

here!not hear.

That pic is, of course, Simon Fanshawe, who was also interviewed.

Not to everyone's taste in terms of style, maybe, but that is the podcast format.

(Although this is not (yet) a true podcast since you cannot download it from the BBC.) But see my (now fixed) Google Drive uploads:

drive.google.com/drive/folders/100DGRXY3IqMgyGrt-pS8_cxOcRcb2OkM?usp=sharing

It is self-indulgent maybe because they've been doing this off their own bat. The format was developed by amateurs who have something to say/love the sound of their own voices, and the pros have picked it up and run with it.

But people do go on about "The" BBC as if it were a group of people in a room ("Whose parents all worked for the BBC before them," N. Dorries.)

This is a cry of rage from the corporation's most isolated outpost, biting the hand that feeds it.

another example of "everything is transphobic"

And has always been transphobic.

They are a little upset, aren't they?

EPISODE 5 is soooooo important!!!

😂 another example of "everything is transphobic"