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Netflix FIRES Employees Who stormed Meetings Over Dave Chappell Comedy Special

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Childrenofthestones · 12/10/2021 19:30

Looks like things are heating up at Netflix over the Dave Chappell special. Good to see management refusing to cancel on demand and standing up to woke employees for once.

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Fariha31 · 13/10/2021 15:15

Prostituted women and men are in very high risk of being murdered or assulted. Its off the charts from what Iv seen.

timeisnotaline · 13/10/2021 14:19

@allmywhat

I then took the time to Google each name and was disturbed that of these deaths, very few seem to have been reported in the mainstream media. It was the LGBT outlets mostly. That’s pretty sad because it really does reinforce the idea that the world generally doesn’t care about trans deaths

I don't think this holds. Very few violent deaths are reported in the mainstream media. And you are in the UK, based on your name? It's unusual for any random violent death in another country to be reported in UK media, even when that other country is the US, which gets a disproportionate amount of UK media attention.

My observation is that the death of a trans person is much more likely to get widespread media coverage than the death of a non-trans person, but obviously still most don't, there's a great deal of randomness and of course there's almost certainly a racial component to it as there is with the coverage of violent crimes against women.

I'm not sure if anyone has ever compiled statistics that would back up my observation, but for an example, look at all the media coverage that a male assault on a trans sex worker here in the UK garnered recently. How many non-fatal assaults on female sex workers get that kind of coverage?

I’m sure I’ve seen on another thread that most of these murdered people were sex workers. So if this is true I don’t know if the problem statement here is 1. trans sex workers are more likely to be murdered, 2. sex workers of colour are more likely to be murdered, or 3. sex workers are more likely to be murdered. All of them significant problems that highlight vulnerable categories and need addressing, and it also seems quite likely they are all true, especially 1 & 2, but would be good to define the problem.
kwiksavenofrillsusername · 13/10/2021 14:19

I do wonder how people get these jobs with such high profile businesses when they can’t even raise their concerns in a professional way. It reminds me of when a bunch of Hachette employees got mad about them publishing JKR. Do they think the world is like Twitter and companies will just bend? I saw a lot of Hachette jobs being advertised in the months after that stunt.

allmywhat · 13/10/2021 14:13

I then took the time to Google each name and was disturbed that of these deaths, very few seem to have been reported in the mainstream media. It was the LGBT outlets mostly. That’s pretty sad because it really does reinforce the idea that the world generally doesn’t care about trans deaths

I don't think this holds. Very few violent deaths are reported in the mainstream media. And you are in the UK, based on your name? It's unusual for any random violent death in another country to be reported in UK media, even when that other country is the US, which gets a disproportionate amount of UK media attention.

My observation is that the death of a trans person is much more likely to get widespread media coverage than the death of a non-trans person, but obviously still most don't, there's a great deal of randomness and of course there's almost certainly a racial component to it as there is with the coverage of violent crimes against women.

I'm not sure if anyone has ever compiled statistics that would back up my observation, but for an example, look at all the media coverage that a male assault on a trans sex worker here in the UK garnered recently. How many non-fatal assaults on female sex workers get that kind of coverage?

BraveBananaBadge · 13/10/2021 13:27

I'll take a look at that in full, didn't mean to be flippant. It's the disingenuous blame game linking them to Chappelle and Netflix which doesn't sit right with me.

ShagMeRiggins · 13/10/2021 09:40

@BraveBananaBadge

From the Variety story on this:

In her tweets, Field writes, “Yesterday we launched another Chappelle special where he attacks the trans community, and the very validity of transness – all while trying to pit us against other marginalized groups. You’re going to hear a lot of talk about ‘offense.’ We are not offended.”
Field went on to say of Chappelle, “our existence is ‘funny’ to him – and when we object to his harm, we’re ‘offended.'” She then listed numerous names of trans people, specifically highlighting trans women of color, killed in hate crimes.

All this stuff about Chappelle "attacking the very validity" of trans people, followed by a list of murdered trans people just sounds unhinged. Well, three people storming a meeting to kick off is unhinged.

While I want to be sympathetic to trans people who may well have valid criticisms of Chappelle, I've yet to hear one that rings true if you watched what he said.

I read the tweets and thought the listing of black and Latin trans people murdered was quite moving, actually. It reminded me of Jess Philips reading the names of murdered women in parliament.

I then took the time to Google each name and was disturbed that of these deaths, very few seem to have been reported in the mainstream media. It was the LGBT outlets mostly. That’s pretty sad because it really does reinforce the idea that the world generally doesn’t care about trans deaths, especially the murdered people of colour.

Having said that, it occurs to me I could attempt the same with Jess Philips’ list to see how many of the murdered women were reported by MSM.

Mostly, I just don’t want people murdered. Violence is abhorrent in any form.

Shelddd · 13/10/2021 03:06

I think they were just suspended unless it's change since then.

But ya of course come after execs with your woke crap and it's not going to end well for you. You can get away with it elsewhere.

If you watched the special you would know that part of the reason why Chappelle won't get cancelled is how he was smart to frame it. He went after trans activism not trans people first of all. He attacked the activism aspect which I think is what most people have a problem with and it's all the M to F trans activism that is so angry and wants to destroy the world. But on top of that he didn't frame it personally he said trans activists are trying to cancel black people, and that's why he won't get cancelled... He was smart to frame it that way, because Netflix might be okay with cancelling Chappelle but they absolutely don't want to be seen cancelling black people or black culture (rightfully so).

So good for him, he was incredibly smart in what he said and how he framed it.

PrincessNutella · 13/10/2021 02:52

I enjoyed his special and I thought he had some worthwhile things to say. He is a comedian, so he also says some coarse, no-holds-barred rude things about other groups including women, but with a certain amount of irony. I think he makes some good points about the hypersensitivity and cultural appropriation of the trans community that will be heard by everyday people that they don't usually hear.

FeckTheMagicDragon · 12/10/2021 23:50

I left Netflix over Cuties. I left Disney+ over Mandalorian dropping Gina Carano (who got piled on by TRAs after she put a jokey Beep/Bop/Boop as her pronouns). Might resubscribe over this. Just to watch him.

I make a point of supporting good, sensible shows, and take my money away if I really don’t agree with what the company is promoting. Will never shop in Lush or M&S again.

Cash and votes are where we will impact the big companies. 51% of the population have a lot of power in both of these areas.

BraveBananaBadge · 12/10/2021 23:28

From the Variety story on this:

In her tweets, Field writes, “Yesterday we launched another Chappelle special where he attacks the trans community, and the very validity of transness – all while trying to pit us against other marginalized groups. You’re going to hear a lot of talk about ‘offense.’ We are not offended.”
Field went on to say of Chappelle, “our existence is ‘funny’ to him – and when we object to his harm, we’re ‘offended.'” She then listed numerous names of trans people, specifically highlighting trans women of color, killed in hate crimes.

All this stuff about Chappelle "attacking the very validity" of trans people, followed by a list of murdered trans people just sounds unhinged. Well, three people storming a meeting to kick off is unhinged.

While I want to be sympathetic to trans people who may well have valid criticisms of Chappelle, I've yet to hear one that rings true if you watched what he said.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 12/10/2021 23:10

I think it’s a measure of how they’ve been pandered to.
And don’t forget most newspapers were reporting the calls to cancel Chapelle as if it was a perfectly reasonable thing that might well happen.

BraveBananaBadge · 12/10/2021 22:35

The whole thing is just weird - from what I've read they basically stormed into an executive management meeting to kick off about this one issue. What did they think was going to happen?

As with so many things around this agenda, if people make an exception for this silly, unprofessional behaviour, where does it end? Could anyone crash in for a whine about their pet peeves?

littlbrowndog · 12/10/2021 21:55

No dull and he has a long advert on where to put his balls in special boxers

ShagMeRiggins · 12/10/2021 21:51

I read in the LA Times that the employees were suspended, not fired.

Not going to watch the video—mostly because it’s 11 minutes and I don’t know this guy. Has he anything important to say?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 12/10/2021 21:41

Apparently Sticks And Stones is their top (best rated and most watched iirc, also ‘stickiest’ though I am not quite sure what that means- most people who started, watching to the end?) comedy special of all time. So it is not that surprising.