Netflix FIRES Employees Who stormed Meetings Over Dave Chappell Comedy Special

Oh yes Exceptional. There's an uproar but I haven't as yet seen any threat to his safety as with JKR, or even Prof Stock who now has been told by police not to go to any public event where her presence has been advertised. I doubt we'll see Chappelle cancelling shows in a similar manner. This tells you everything.

I agree @nauticant & @YetAnotherSpartacus

Intersectionality as a concept in grounded in law. It has been misunderstood and misapplied by so many who do not understand the real meaning….. therefore rendering it worthless.

"intersectionality" has turned into an umbrella term that carries with it "if you question [our use of] this concept then you're a bigot".

As it's been used in social media it's been rendered largely meaningless beyond a concept of Oppression Olympics.

*I don't agree with intersectionality as a concept at all. So we won't find any common ground... but just pointing out that you are highlighting the problems of intersectionality without even realizing it... yet you still support it.

Racism is a problem, sexism is a problem, both are massive problems, poverty is a problem, like you mentioned education and language inequalities are problems, there are lots more. They are all issues on their own right. Although which issues are larger or smaller all depend on where and when you are talking about*

This is not what intersectionality is about though. It is what social media thinks it is about but not what Kimberle Crenshaw meant.

If that's your argument DisgustedofManchester, you should include some evidence.

We are years past the stage of "if a trans activist says X then we have to take it as true".

So the trans woman was invited to the meeting afterall and didn't barge in...

The humanity of real live person relationships

This seems to be one of the big points Chappelle is making. It's not so much that's he's 'uncancellable' but that he is secure enough in himself to know what he stands for and won't backtrack. He's already said he couldn't give a stuff about Twitter and the media, his interest is in real life conversation, and there's something incredibly refreshing about not having to give them agency isn't there?

In some ways JKR is in the same boat -unapologetic and cannot be shut up despite all attempts - although you can see the very stark differences in the treatment they receive because of it.

There are always going to be people who already have power who will use any levers of power they can find to gain more. Not just people who already have advantage either.

One of the things that has fascinated me as people have been looking back in recent years to criticize the political and social institutions of the past for creating a social hierarchy is that many seem to see that as a thing that would not happen if we had the right kinds of institutions.

What they don't seem to see clearly is that if you change the way power works through new institutions, people will still use them to seek personal power. Even if you try and design them to advantage the disadvantaged. The shape of your new society may be different, but your new institutions will function as ways to consolidate power because that's what they are for, it's what makes them useful and effective in human society.

Which is why if you scratch the surface, the new society always turns out to look a lot like the old one.

I’m with @MarshmallowSwede, I’m a privileged middle class white woman and those who’ve had to confront racial issues face a different world. I would never want to not acknowledge that.

interesting hot takes on intersectionality. My point was that these people are as DC said “punching down”.

I thought it was brilliant and so tragic at the same time. Its a homage to a transwoman who commited suicide days after defending Chapelle re. 'punching down on trans' on twitter

I thought the ending was beautiful - what Dave will say to Daphnes daughter at age 21 - "Young lady, I knew your father and he was a wonderful woman"

Bless your soul Daphne

"’m pretty sure women of colour are concerned about racism on top of being mistreated for being women. Intersectionality should be a concern for white women too as it involves acknowledging women of colours additional issues they fave in employment and medical care etc.. not only worried about trans women being included in women’s issues."

Isn't that the problem though? Modern day liberal/woke feminism has turned feminism into "let's solve all the world's problems, actual female problems last though, please", exactly because of intersectionality.

Racism is a problem, sexism is a problem, both are massive problems, poverty is a problem, like you mentioned education and language inequalities are problems, there are lots more. They are all issues on their own right. Although which issues are larger or smaller all depend on where and when you are talking about.

When we start fighting about who is more oppressed where and when we are putting the focus on the wrong thing.

We don't need to make this a race to the bottom where only the most oppressed is allowed support and given a platform.

All of them deserve support, all of them are issues that need to be tackled.

MTF trans invading women's safe spaces is an issue but we don't need a concept like intersectionality to say it's an issue. When you use something like intersectionality what you end up with is a situation where a black trans poverty poorly educated MTF trans is allowed in a women's shelter because the majority of the women are white and you can make a case that white women are not as oppressed in the UK (While they may be elsewhere).

I’m pretty sure women of colour are concerned about racism on top of being mistreated for being women. Intersectionality should be a concern for white women too as it involves acknowledging women of colours additional issues they fave in employment and medical care etc.. not only worried about trans women being included in women’s issues.

You just said all oppressed groups should join up, but I mention that a group of privileged white men are trying to convince us women that they aren’t running a scam and somehow I’m not promoting us all joining up… sure Jan.

I don’t care to turn it into the oppression Olympics. You missed my point.. my point is the to trying to do a bait and switch by claiming to be inclusive when in reality it’s just the usual suspects, and that women should be aware that they are basically saying that they should be priority over the many unresolved issues faced by WOC. If we claim to want intersectionality then we should call out the bullshit.. but by calling out the bullshit somehow I’m wrong? Oh ok.. you tell me the right way to do it then!

We all agree that rich white men are not oppressed right? Okay cool.

Everyone else can be oppressed, depends on their situation, sometimes they aren't oppressed... hilarious when people say someone like michelle obama is oppressed.

Why don't oppressed people just stand together, start businesses and help other oppressed people, rather than fight over who is more oppressed like you are doing right now.

They always trot out black and Latin people to use as human shields for supposed trans rights. Yet are silent about the very dangerous racial discrimination people of colour face daily.

I find this extremely disingenuous on their part. As usual white men using people of colour when it suits them to meet their own needs. How rich that white men have found a way to make themselves the most oppressed and mistreated group of people!

They don’t at all care about trans women of colour. These are privileged white men who use stats about trans women of colour when it suits them to advance their false narrative of being oppressed.

White men are not oppressed in any way, shape or form. No matter the sexual orientation or style of dress.. some gay men are extremely anti woman (fish anyone).. and the gay community is full of racism as well.

So don’t give me this nonsense about how accepting and diverse and open they are. Just because you like to sex other men doesn’t make you non racist and accepting. That’s a myth. Just because you dress as a woman doesn’t mean you are oppressed.

White men using people of colour for their own devices is nothing new. I don’t care how you wrap this up.. this is nothing more than a bunch of privileged white men who want to be oppressed so badly and desperately want attention and validation of others.

So women of colour have more privilege than a white man who is in a dress? Give me a break.

Men always have the audacity! Imagine going to a recent immigrant woman who is working in a very low paid job, has chidlren and no family support, is discriminated against for being a woman, in addition to being a woman of colour and perhaps having an accent and broken English.. and telling her that you as a white English man for 35 yes of your life or however many years and now are a trans woman, that you face more discrimination than her. That you are more oppressed than her.

Or imagine being a woman white or a woman of any ethnicity who is in childbearing age who is doing the same job as your colleague but being paid less and asking if you’re going to come back early from maternity leave.. your boss saying if you don’t you could lose any chance of advancing your career.

Or being a young girl starting her period at school being laughed at for getting blood on your trousers because of the high cost of female sanitary items you cannot afford to buy a lot of them.

But a man who chooses to wear a skirt is way way way more oppressed than you. Do these people have any self awareness?

You’re a white man who works at Netflix and transitioned to live as a woman and you’re oppressed? In what universe?

The person in question has had their suspension lifted as it was found that there was no malice in their attempt to storm the meeting.

Yeah right.

Also to expand on that, it turns different oppressed groups on each other and makes them fight eachother for power when they should be working together to improve their situation.

It's messed up... turning the oppressed into oppressors...

"Or, you can tell jokes about others if they are oppressors, but not if they are more oppressed than you are. That's "punching down.""

Who decides the hierarchy of oppression?

And anyway, a key skill in life is to laugh at yourself. Something these people are severely lacking in.

Rightly so, if I did this in my company over an issue I disagreed with management over, the same thing would happen.

Activist types need to learn to pick their battles better - Netflix and [insert publisher here - was it Hachette?] won't be strongarmed into cutting ties with their golden-egg layers that are Dave Chappelle and JK Rowling.

Also, Chappelle is old-school in that he'll tell jokes in the round. Sure, he'll have a pop at the 'alphabet people', feminists, white people etc but he'll also tell jokes about black people. Isn't this the best way to do it? Ricky Gervais has also spoken about people being fine when he has a pop at other groups but when he has a pop at theirs it's a whole different story (and he's not in the same league as Chapelle).