Page 8 | Legal rights of gender dysphoric yr 8 boy to be placed in a girls dorm

PrawnQuaver · 2021-10-12T06:13:51+00:00

Please could anyone help me understand the legal rights involved in the situation of a private school placing a gender dysphoric year 8 boy, who is currently identifying as female, into a girls dorm on school residential trip without consulting the parents of the three other girls in that dorm or asking the girls themselves? The 10 protected characteristics of the 2010 Gender Equality Act have been quoted as cast iron justification but I don't know enough about it to provide a strong counter argument. I've name changed for this post but am a long time mumsnetter

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 26/11/2021 16:25

Maybe we need to rewrite safeguarding and call it shutting the stable door...

Clymene · 26/11/2021 16:22

@Hugoslavia

To counter some of the fear, if he is genuinely identifying as female (and it's not just some recent fad), then the chances are that he would be attracted to boys, not girls. And, I would have thought that most Yr 8 girls wouldn't wish to have sex in the first place, much less in front of their friends and the chances of them being attracted to a boy who identifies as a girl would be even less so. Secondly, the child in question is unlikely to be a rapist any more than anyone's teenage Yr 8 son. Therefore, in the highly unlikely scenario of a girl finding herself pregnant, I would suggest that it would be most likely consensual. Therefore that might be something to discuss before going on any residential trip as there will also be opportunities for them to mingle/socialise with the opposite sex in any event in some hidden corner or other. That said, I can understand some girls feeling awkward about getting dressed etc in a room with a trans child, although I suspect that it is much more awkward for the trans child themselves. Personally, I would talk to the school and ask them what measures they put in place generally during a trip to ensure the safety of kids. You may find that a teacher sleeps in one of the dorms anyway.

Boys sleep separately from girls for privacy, dignity and safety.

He's probably not a rapist is the worst argument ever for separate sleeping arrangements.

1forAll74 · 26/11/2021 16:20

No.. no boy in with the girls in this situation. The whole idea is ridiculous.

Hugoslavia · 26/11/2021 16:14

To counter some of the fear, if he is genuinely identifying as female (and it's not just some recent fad), then the chances are that he would be attracted to boys, not girls. And, I would have thought that most Yr 8 girls wouldn't wish to have sex in the first place, much less in front of their friends and the chances of them being attracted to a boy who identifies as a girl would be even less so. Secondly, the child in question is unlikely to be a rapist any more than anyone's teenage Yr 8 son. Therefore, in the highly unlikely scenario of a girl finding herself pregnant, I would suggest that it would be most likely consensual. Therefore that might be something to discuss before going on any residential trip as there will also be opportunities for them to mingle/socialise with the opposite sex in any event in some hidden corner or other. That said, I can understand some girls feeling awkward about getting dressed etc in a room with a trans child, although I suspect that it is much more awkward for the trans child themselves. Personally, I would talk to the school and ask them what measures they put in place generally during a trip to ensure the safety of kids. You may find that a teacher sleeps in one of the dorms anyway.

RedDogsBeg · 26/11/2021 15:59

@allmywhat

I don't think the OP will be back

Possibly banned. He had a lot of comments deleted.

OP and deleted poster are not the same, deleted poster seems to have deliberately targeted this thread for reasons, I'll leave you to conclude what reasons they might be.

allmywhat · 26/11/2021 15:57

Oh sorry to be confusing, the actual OP wasn't deleted! The thread bumper was.

Skyll · 26/11/2021 15:57

The deleted poster isn’t the op? Is it?

allmywhat · 26/11/2021 15:55

I don't think the OP will be back

Possibly banned. He had a lot of comments deleted.

Clymene · 26/11/2021 15:55

This is an old thread which our new friend decided to bump so I don't think the OP will be back.

supercritter · 26/11/2021 15:52

Have the school down an equality impact assessment for the girls in the dorm?
Have their insurers been made aware and what are their thoughts on any future claims that could potentially arise from mixed sex dorms?
This is so wrong.

LKS832xc567 · 26/11/2021 15:49

I don’t know why my post was deleted but I’m trying to find out. I am angry but didn’t know that that isn’t allowed now either. Quite prepared to be banned after 13 years of never having a post deleted. But at what point Mumsnet moderators do you look and think, maybe we are on the wrong side of history after all.

Datun · 26/11/2021 15:47

@RedDogsBeg

You can't even work out the difference between Year 8 boy and 8 year old boy IgnesFauti let alone anything else.

Quite, but they know what's good for our daughters.

RedDogsBeg · 26/11/2021 15:46

You can't even work out the difference between Year 8 boy and 8 year old boy IgnesFauti let alone anything else.

Datun · 26/11/2021 15:45

I came out as a kid and I know what you're talking about but you're being such a patronising misogynist implying that girls don't know what they want/what's good for them.

Did you really mean to say that? Where would one start with a random on the Internet telling parents that they don't know what's good for their own daughters.

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 26/11/2021 15:45

Ah! I get it now.

Girls know what they want and have no problem saying so.

But women saying what they want are hate filled, mistaken, racist, transphobic, nasty, nasty.

Clear as mud.

Datun · 26/11/2021 15:43

@IgnesFauti

I'm not going to entertain the hate in this post but I'll point out that these EXACT attitudes you hold about trans girls were held about black girls in the 40s and 50s and held about lesbian girls in the 80s and 90s. You claim to speak for all women and that women are all just bought up to be nice. Maybe you're just a little pissed off that 8 year old girls have a little more decency and kindness in their hearts than you do...

And as for this, how can you possibly write this post, and expect other people to understand even a word of it, when you can't define girl, lesbian, women, or boy??

It's just meaningless jibber jabber.

allmywhat · 26/11/2021 15:42

I came out as a kid and I know what you're talking about but you're being such a patronising misogynist implying that girls don't know what they want/what's good for them.

I didn't imply that, that's your complete inability to understand the female experience rearing its ugly head yet again.

I would also like to note that "girls know what they want and what's good for them" could be generalised to all sorts of situations and you might want to think through the implications of it a bit more carefully.

Unless you already did?

Datun · 26/11/2021 15:41

I'll explain. Kids are more than capable of expressing their feelings

And I'll explain, the reason we have safeguarding, is because adults keep claiming that their interpretation of the feelings of other people's children are more important than their safety.

They're not.

IgnesFauti · 26/11/2021 15:39

@allmywhat

I'll explain. Kids are more than capable of expressing their feelings and if there was any ACTUAL concern from anyone involved, that'd have been expressed by the girls, not some overactive, nasty parents

Tell me you've never been a girl without telling me you've never been a girl.

I came out as a kid and I know what you're talking about but you're being such a patronising misogynist implying that girls don't know what they want/what's good for them.

Clymene · 26/11/2021 15:38

Because black girls are girls. Boys who identify as transgender are boys. With penises.

And they don't belong in girls' dorms.

allmywhat · 26/11/2021 15:37

I'll explain. Kids are more than capable of expressing their feelings and if there was any ACTUAL concern from anyone involved, that'd have been expressed by the girls, not some overactive, nasty parents

Tell me you've never been a girl without telling me you've never been a girl.

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 26/11/2021 15:35

😆

Is that us told then? OK.

I did expect a sidestep, but that was great. More if a side leap. Impressive 👍

IgnesFauti · 26/11/2021 15:33

@Clymene

You're racist and misogynist as well as unable to read properly *@IgnesFauti*

please explain how drawing comparisons between hating trans girls and hating black girls 70 years ago is "racist"

IgnesFauti · 26/11/2021 15:32

@HoardingSamphireSaurus

Oh dear. No *@IgnesFauti*. To all you posted. Factually incorrect and lacking in comprehensive skills.

Start with the age of the boy in question.

And we don't fall over and cry when someone arrives and tells us we aren't being nice. We Usk them to explain their beliefs... Like in what way was the transgirl female in the same way as the girls in the group. And how were they different from all the other males?

I can answer those questions without resorting to pretzel logic. Can you?

I'll explain. Kids are more than capable of expressing their feelings and if there was any ACTUAL concern from anyone involved, that'd have been expressed by the girls, not some overactive, nasty parents

IgnesFauti · 26/11/2021 15:30

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