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John Lewis and it’s ‘gender relaxed’ ad

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SouthernFashionista · 11/10/2021 19:44

Curious to hear thoughts on the new ad from John Lewis. It strikes me as sinister. Why does a small child have to send out a message of LGBTQ equality? Why is he acting like a drag queen.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2021 10:46

I've got a packet of grips if anyone needs one.

Sounds like you need them for yourself.

SouthernFashionista · 12/10/2021 10:44

Mumsnet, why on earth have you removed the smart words of @SirChenjins Seriously. She said nothing offensive.

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KimikosNightmare · 12/10/2021 10:41

If this was a little girl smashing up the house playing cars or doing wrestling moves (which I also did - jumping off the landing on to the sofa and smashing the chandelier in the process) you'd probably be well into it but the second a boy is a little dramatic and feminine you're clutching your trans-agenda pearls like it's the end of the world. I've got a packet of grips if anyone needs one

No, I would not be applauding a little girl who deliberately breaks other people's property and who is clearly old enough to understand what she is doing. Nor would I be applauding a girl who is bullying her brother.

Oh and well done on working 2 tired, hackneyed old MN expressions into your post.

thelastgoldeneagle · 12/10/2021 10:28

What a load of weird shit. Wtf is John Lewis thinking??!

nauticant · 12/10/2021 10:25

In a way it's a "queering" of the original advert with the girl.

kwiksavenofrillsusername · 12/10/2021 10:22

Aside from the gender issues, all I could think of when watching this ad is ‘it’s like when someone comes round for coffee with their little shit and looks on smiling while they trash the house’. Not exactly a positive association to make with JL.

I felt sorry for the poor little girl sitting quietly trying to be creative and getting her day ruined. Says it all really.

SapphosRock · 12/10/2021 10:16

@IsabelGowdie

I'll try again to avoid deletions.

The ad shows a male child. He is destroying things, actively ruining things for a female child. All the while is doing performative womanhood.

The mother looks on, doing nothing. Why? Is she scared of the child's reaction?

We're all supposed to the think that the child is great, rule breaking, and free spirited. Rather than spoilt and destructive, and leaving others to clean up his mess.

We are not supposed to care that the girl's enjoyment has been ruined, or that she might not like having things thrown near her.
We're not supposed to care that he has cost the family huge amounts of money and the women and girl will be on their hands and knees cleaning up after him.

But he can pose, he can flounce. He is stunning and brave.

What does this remind us of?

Yes that is exactly what I see too and it's got to be deliberate.

Adam & Eve are one of the biggest ad agencies in the country, I am sure someone would have highlighted these very obvious points before it was signed off.

I didn't know JL offered home insurance and now I do so they have achieved an objective.

Itsanewdah · 12/10/2021 10:14

@Wroxie thank you. (i’m personally not a fan of the add, but some of the - now deleted- comments were incredibly hurtful

MakingTheBestOfIt · 12/10/2021 10:14

@Gastonia

Irrespective of any feminism angle, I just watched the ad and was horrified to see a child wrecking the home. There was no joy in it. It wasn't cute. The child is too old for it to be thoughtless exuberance. If my DC had done any damage like that, I would have been distraught. It's horrific. I really find it hard to believe anyone would like that ad, with all that wanton damage.
Exactly my thoughts.

They could have made the same advert but made the destruction accidental rather than deliberate.

The tiny dancer one of a few years back was funny and enjoyable to watch. All I can think when I watch this one is (1) why is a child that age deliberately causing all that damage, (2) why doesn’t he care, and (3) regardless of the insurance paying out or not, it would take hours of hard work to clean that up, then hours of hard work to claim for the new carpets, clear rooms ready etc. It’s not just a case of phone dear old JL and go back to your latte ad clearly designed by people who have never had to be responsible for this sort of thing

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 12/10/2021 10:10

The lot of you are so blinded by your own fears about gender and sex that you're becoming what you claim to hate. If this was a little girl smashing up the house playing cars or doing wrestling moves (which I also did - jumping off the landing on to the sofa and smashing the chandelier in the process) you'd probably be well into it but the second a boy is a little dramatic and feminine you're clutching your trans-agenda pearls like it's the end of the world. I've got a packet of grips if anyone needs one.

You may have been better off reading all of the posts...

nauticant · 12/10/2021 10:09

The first thing I thought of when I saw the boy's performance was Desmond Is Amazing GreenWhiteViolet.

That advert is well dodgy.

PattiPritell · 12/10/2021 10:04

I don't remember kicking over her little paints but I wouldn't have put it past myself.

I bet you don't

Roystonv · 12/10/2021 10:03

Not seen it but sounds awful. Am I horrible/weird in thinking that JL should be encouraging good old fashioned values not being on trend and 'clever'?

PattiPritell · 12/10/2021 10:01

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They have a website complaints form, above link, which I have filled in and sent. Don't know if it will reach anyone but at least I've tried.

I started here and followed complaints
www.johnlewis.com/customer-services/contact-us

Wroxie · 12/10/2021 10:01

The ad is hyperbole. It's a joke. It's cute. It's making a poing about how kids can fuck up your house and how it's not the end of the world especially if you have the insurance they're trying to sell.

I (a woman, if it matters) remember very specifically being about this kid's age, dressing up in lots of scarves and ruining putting on my mother's makeup to climb up on the kitchen island to pretend it was a stage while playing this VERY song on the record player. I broke one of the edges of the tiled countertop in the process. I also remember that my bookish cousin was absolutely shocked and refused to participate. I don't remember kicking over her little paints but I wouldn't have put it past myself.

The lot of you are so blinded by your own fears about gender and sex that you're becoming what you claim to hate. If this was a little girl smashing up the house playing cars or doing wrestling moves (which I also did - jumping off the landing on to the sofa and smashing the chandelier in the process) you'd probably be well into it but the second a boy is a little dramatic and feminine you're clutching your trans-agenda pearls like it's the end of the world. I've got a packet of grips if anyone needs one.

Flapjak · 12/10/2021 09:56

Weird, that is definately a child acting in a certain to signal something. Either way, it seems like mum and sister are being submissive in background and the boy is allowed to behave really badly but he he is just expressing hinself ??

IsabelGowdie · 12/10/2021 09:54

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Deadringer · 12/10/2021 09:51

@SpindleWhirl

How does everyone know he's a boy, btw?

Are we genuinely supposed to assume he's literally a boy in a dress? How?

He is clearly a boy in a dress, most people can tell the difference between males and females at a glance, no matter what they are wearing.
BootsMcToots · 12/10/2021 09:47

Umm you do realise it's an advert and he was paid to do it?
What are you on about?Hmm

Lots of posters have commented on the advert as if the advert was a real situation. Not a single person here thinks that advert in a real life scenario that just happened to be captured on camera.

I don't suppose that was m'laddo's real mother, sister or home. They probably don't even have John Lewis house insurance. Shock

FWBNC · 12/10/2021 09:46

WTAF is going on in our society?

AmandaHoldensLips · 12/10/2021 09:43

I thought it was advertising insurance coverage for male narcissism.

GrandmaMazur · 12/10/2021 09:39

@JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff

No he is not just wearing a dress. My son loves "being Anna" and acts like a normal preschooler.

This boy is pouting, strutting, being a diva and that is the point. If he were wearing wellies and fairy wings and accidentally getting mud on the carpet that would be a little boy being himself.

This kid is wearing full make up, doing duck face, and yes, trashing the house while the mum and sister cringe silently, heads down whilst their stuff is being wrecked.

It’s almost like an allegory for our times
Whoopsmahoot · 12/10/2021 09:39

Awful- ridiculous advert

IsabelGowdie · 12/10/2021 09:37

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FWBNC · 12/10/2021 09:31

@GoodnightGrandma

He needs to go on the naughty step. I hope he was made to clean up.
Umm you do realise it's an advert and he was paid to do it?

It's a fucking dreadful advert, but I hope both the kids had fun making it!