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John Lewis and it’s ‘gender relaxed’ ad

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SouthernFashionista · 11/10/2021 19:44

Curious to hear thoughts on the new ad from John Lewis. It strikes me as sinister. Why does a small child have to send out a message of LGBTQ equality? Why is he acting like a drag queen.

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Warmduscher · 12/10/2021 13:36

@AmandaHoldensLips

I thought it was advertising insurance coverage for male narcissism.
No premium would ever be enough to cover that.
Clymene · 12/10/2021 13:32

I've now filled out an application to get a quote and read the policy document for additional accidental damage cover.

It excludes:

'China, glass, pottery and any other similar items of a fragile nature'

And

'This doesn’t cover loss or damage caused by malicious acts or vandalism in the following circumstances:
• While your home is unoccupied
• When your home is lent, let or sublet to anyone other than your family – unless force or violence has been used to get into or out of your home
• Caused by you, your family, your domestic staff, lodgers, paying guests or tenants, and any person that you or your family has allowed into the home'

So actually it looks like it specifically excludes the sort of damage their ad shows.

I shall be complaining to the ASA.

oakleydo · 12/10/2021 13:31

If i lived in a massive show home
Like that one, id be nervous of that little shit 'living life' indoors.

Clymene · 12/10/2021 13:22

Well I've just spoken to a very nice lady who confirmed that JL do class children's damage as accidental damage, even though I pointed out that the boy's damage was deliberate rather than accidental.

She asked me what I thought of the ad and I told her I thought it was awful, that he was deliberately trashing his sister's stuff and that it was bizarre that the mum was just sitting there placidly watching him wreck the house. She laughed and agreed with me.

Lordamighty · 12/10/2021 13:17

Wilful damage by family members or anyone lawfully in your home is specifically excluded on the JL home policy, so that advert is deliberately misleading.

candycane222 · 12/10/2021 13:14

Yep @WorriedWishingWell, I thought @SirChenjins made a great point too. Cannot understand what was unacceptable about it???

FuckingFabulous · 12/10/2021 13:09

I'd go fucking MENTAL if one of my kids put my clothes and makeup on, trailed greasy lipstick all over the banister and walls, ruined my other child's quiet play, smashed some of my stuff up, then stood on the table flinging paint covered glitter into the air. It just wouldn't fly. Really, it wouldn't happen. Actually, they wouldn't have got past the bottom step.

And home insurance will never cover incidences of kids acting like little shits and wilfully damaging the house. It's not exactly accidental, is it??

SingleMumOnlyChild · 12/10/2021 12:52

Haven’t been on Mumsnet for a long time, it’s become way too «woke»
I would say that JL is chasing every kind of market as they are struggling financially.
If their Home Insurance video goes viral and targets new gender inclusive clients, then the advert has worked. If they manage to sell some more home insurance then bonus pints.

Tedimhoardingrightsosaur · 12/10/2021 12:26

I've just looked at their website. Accidental damage (which this ad is supposedly selling) is an add on to their standard contents insurance. It says on the website (not the policy small print, just the hook in blurb):

Does Accidental Damage Insurance cover damage caused by children?
Yes – happily, with these add-ons you're covered for anything accidentally damaged or broken by your children or their playmates. This includes spills on the carpet or sofa and broken chairs or mirrors – although we cannot guarantee you against the associated seven years of bad luck!

The key is how they define "accident" in the policy and whether it varies from the ordinary dictionary definition, i.e., an unforeseen event or one without an apparent cause; anything that occurs unintentionally or by chance; a misfortune or mishap

Of course, JL and their advertisers might want potential purchasers to believe that lovely, fluffy, family friendly JL will cover the sort of scenario set out in the ad. However, it's not going to be lovely JL's policy, is it? They will be just a front/representative for a bog standard commercial insurance broker, whose assessors would rather pull their own teeth out than pay out.

If your kid is behaving like the kid in the ad while you look on doing nothing to prevent any of it, that doesn't seem to fit with the dictionary definition of "accident". If JL don't in fact pay out in this scenario, and that's clear in the policy small print, then that is going to be on the idiot who bought the insurance without reading it.

However, I do wonder if it breaches advertising standards. You can have exaggerated advertising, described by the Advertising Standards Authority as, "Obvious exaggerations ("puffery") and claims that the average consumer who sees the advertisement is unlikely to take literally are allowed provided they do not materially mislead.".That will be like the "Redbull gives you wings" type advertising. With this JL ad though.... I'm not so sure, actually. It's showing a very specific scenario, or sequence of events, and claiming the insurance covers it. Your "average consumer" includes many parents of all our acquaintance who think their very free spirited/natural born leader/ whatever excuse child can do whatever the hell they like while they look on and smile indulgently. Are they being misled by false advertising?

Isn't this ad just encouraging insurance fraud? I have known people (nice, middle class people) who have left their child alone with a sharpie and a sofa they want replacing, and have managed to make a one off fraudulent insurance claim. Every one of the incidences in that ad, all deliberate, all totally preventable and carried out while an adult watches them do it, is a fraudulent insurance claim in the making. Nice messaging to those inclined to criminal thinking, crap one to the rest of us watching our premiums rocket as a result.

WorriedWishingWell · 12/10/2021 12:21

I am amazed that Sir Chenjins post on page 1 was deleted. It was an insightful and reasonable post, although I guess women expressing an opinion is no longer considered reasonable?
It has also had a lot of support from other posters in this thread (including me, although that is not obvious as I failed to use the quote button correctly).

Clymene · 12/10/2021 12:20

[quote Itsanewdah]@Wroxie thank you. (i’m personally not a fan of the add, but some of the - now deleted- comments were incredibly hurtful[/quote]
Hurtful? Confused

allmywhat · 12/10/2021 12:17

I'd love someone to phone JL and say how their son was so inspired by that advert... that he decided to re-enact it... and will they cover the damage?

Whitefire · 12/10/2021 12:12

Yep that's pretty dreadful.

endofthelinefinally · 12/10/2021 11:14

Very disturbing. It made me think of Desmond is amazing.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2021 11:13

There was nothing accidental in that advert. "Accidental" would be running past his sister , bumping into her and as a result the paints tip over; stopping, looking at her and deliberately tipping over the paint is not accidental.

I agree.

KimikosNightmare · 12/10/2021 11:10

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I can't believe that would cover a scenario where they deliberately trashed the whole house as it refers to "accidental" spills etc. But as I say, I'd be fascinated to see whether it did.
There was nothing accidental in that advert. "Accidental" would be running past his sister , bumping into her and as a result the paints tip over; stopping, looking at her and deliberately tipping over the paint is not accidental.

Kicking shoes off and not realising they were on a trajectory with a breakable object is accidental; deliberately aiming at breakable objects isn't accidental.

SouthernFashionista · 12/10/2021 11:05

Free speech indeed. Thanks Mumsnet 🙄

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2021 11:01

I agree Ted.

kwiksavenofrillsusername · 12/10/2021 10:57

@NorthernLion

That is a very strange song choice.
Fleetwood Mac have had a bit of a revival on TikTok. I’m guessing the out of touch ad execs who make this crap thought they were being cool.
Tedimhoardingrightsosaur · 12/10/2021 10:54

@SirChenjins was spot on. If you needed a visual metaphor for everything that has happened to women and girls for the past 5/6 years, this would be it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2021 10:54

I can't believe that would cover a scenario where they deliberately trashed the whole house as it refers to "accidental" spills etc. But as I say, I'd be fascinated to see whether it did.

StandWithYou · 12/10/2021 10:52

@SouthernFashionista

Mumsnet, why on earth have you removed the smart words of *@SirChenjins* Seriously. She said nothing offensive.
Possibly because it was accurate and quite funny. I often think the tide has turned when comedians start to make fun of something as it shows just how ridiculous it all is.
HoardingSamphireSaurus · 12/10/2021 10:52

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I think someone should let their kid do it and test whether the insurance pays out. Trades descriptions act?
I had a read through the policy notes.

If you pay additional fees you can indeed insure against kids and their mates trashing your house.

Does Accidental Damage Insurance cover damage caused by children?
Yes – happily, with these add-ons you're covered for anything accidentally damaged or broken by your children or their playmates. This includes spills on the carpet or sofa and broken chairs or mirrors – although we cannot guarantee you against the associated seven years of bad luck!

No idea how much it costs though!

NorthernLion · 12/10/2021 10:51

That is a very strange song choice.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2021 10:48

I think someone should let their kid do it and test whether the insurance pays out. Trades descriptions act?

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