My post on the person suing NHS was taken down

I honestly don’t know how or why medical interventions such as hormones for trans people are now thought to be better rushed through?

This did not use to be the case. It was considered psychologically important to take a long period of time to live outwardly as a man or woman, before taking the next step of medical interventions.

Personally I feel that any medical procedure done in order to solely improve mental health, by that I don’t mean treatment for bipolar, but things like breast enhancements, body changing, are in a bit of a minefield. There is a lot of evidence that seeking medical procedures in order to feel better can actually damage your mental health. Caution is needed. There is also a big question mark over how much of these should be funded by the NHS. Given that it is supposed to be evidence based, that any procedures have clear physical or mental positive outcomes, and not driven by idealogy. It all needs looking at in an objective, medical and harm/risk robust decision making framework.

Given that both dd and waited 23 months longer each than the recommended time for an appointment...

and that it took 30 years for me to get a diagnosis for one of my conditions... (yes 3 decades)

If no one in the NHS wants to work in this field then suing won't make any difference.

The capacity is limited by those willing to engage in what appears to be not healthcare, it's body modification.

@OldCrone thank you for sharing that Atlantic article. It is a fascinating and very illuminating read.

The clue is in the title National 'Health' Service! The person is not unhealthy.

That's the treatment we apply for every other body dysmorphia disorder.

Of course, all patients with body dysmorphia disorders can forego psychiatric care and opt for surgery instead. But not on the NHS.

Why should this particular body dysmorphia disorder be different? Because it is backed up by a belief system that posits we have disembodied, but sexed metaphysical entities that can inhabit opposite-sex bodies?

No? Then why?

Suffering? I have a family member who suffered greatly from a cosmetic issue and still couldn't get her problem fixed on the NHS. She paid to go private and it all went terribly wrong. It took years to fix the damage caused by surgery, which cost a lot of money. Should the NHS pay to fix damage from private surgeries?

We don't preform lipo suction on those with anorexia...I know this as between 14 and 28 it was a constant request of mine as was gastric band surgery but I was always denied.
To me my body didn't fit me. It wasn't me.
It was my enemy.
To look at myself everyday caused me immense pain. I hated my body and suicide was always a close option.
No cosmetic surgery was offered.
I was rightly told I needed mental health support.

Should I sue?

But if it is a mental health condition, and you seem to agree that it is, how is it different from someone who can't function because they think they are too ugly, or their nose is too big, or they're too short or too tall or that one of their limbs doesn't belong to them?

Many people are unhappy with their bodies for all sorts of reasons, sometimes to the point of being unable to function. In most cases this is not treated by surgery on the offending part of the body.

Interesting article on this:
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/12/a-new-way-to-be-mad/304671/

I don’t think it’s as simple as ‘born in the wrong body’ but if someone is so unable to function because they have the body of what feels like the wrong sex, then I would say that was a medical condition. Otherwise why would you need medical treatment?

Why would people describe surgery that helps someone be able to have sex and sexual relationships and be intimate with another person as “cosmetic’ or ‘aesthetic’?

If someone's sexual organs are healthy, why do they need surgery on them? Are you saying that you believe that people can be 'born in the wrong body'?

@Fieldofgreycorn you do realise that most gender affirming treatments like puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and so called sex reassignment surgery destroy the child's ability to ever having a fully functioning sexual relationship ie if you start pbs before you can orgasum and then go on to cross sex hormones that they will never be able to. Add to that in boys the penis won't have enough tissue to create a neo vagina and with girls they end up needing historectomies due to vaginal attrify and other complications of taking testosterone often in their 20s! Also falioplasties (sp) are not functioning penises
This is not a course of treatment that allows them to have sex, sexual intimacy or a functioning sexual relationship it infact strips these children of any chance of them all whilst also sterilising them

From the NHS website:
Gender dysphoria is not a mental illness, but some people may develop mental health problems because of gender dysphoria.
www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/

It's obviously not a physical illness, but if it's not a mental illness either, why does it need medical treatment?

Surely all the treatment which is required is treatment for the mental health problems which result from the gender dysphoria. Not cosmetic surgery.

Mmm there are so many things I could say to this

24 YEARS ago I came down with a condition easily treated but I was pregnant by the time the consultant saw me so treat me after? No nothing after just waved away with these things can get better by themselves 13 years ago the consultant realised I still had the condition still untreated 9 years ago same consultant hasn't anything been done yet? 2 years ago its getting a bit ridiculous now the pandemic hit my latest referral has gone nowhere

My condition is now causing real issues and is still not fixed but its got to the stage now where the "cure" could be just as damaging as the disease to my system

This is about a TW who wants cosmetic surgery because they don't feel they look feminine enough - right? How is that different from anyone born female?

I assume field you believe one needs to have gender dysphoria to be trans?

I have no words...
Well I do actually
Better not though

Not for many of those being referred to GICs with crippling gender dysphoria and needing medical treatment it isn’t.

If gender dysphoria isn't a medical condition why do they need medical treatment for it?

Imagine being told you're a 'hater' when you've got cancer. This is a very unsettling ideology.

Not surprising though.
Daily we are told males who identify as women are the most oppressed and a lie told often enough is eventually believed...

The person's attitude seems to be that being trans is a condition that requires medical "treatment". I thought this was a rather outdated and regressive view - a bit like when homosexuality was in the DSM?

Not for many of those being referred to GICs with crippling gender dysphoria and needing medical treatment it isn’t.

Why would people describe surgery that helps someone be able to have sex and sexual relationships and be intimate with another person as “cosmetic’ or ‘aesthetic’?

It’s like reading the Daily Mail from 20 years ago this thread.

"Haters will say there are cancer sufferers etc needing treatment and that we’re not a priority. But I’m not asking for priority. I’m asking for what we are entitled to, what everybody else already has and has had for many years.

Imagine being told you're a 'hater' when you've got cancer. This is a very unsettling ideology.

No comment.

I've sat here reading some of the links and my brain is on fire with it all. I'm sure that in proper legalise this isn't what's known as vexatious litigation - n.b. I was trying hard to think of the word vexatious for about half an hour because I knew the phrase but kept coming up with fictitious, vicious, the brain on fire did not help - which means a legal action which is taken for the sole means to harass or subdue an adversary but that's certainly what it looks like to me.

I've had a lot of respect for the Good Law Project but this is ridiculous and has made me lose all respect for them. For one it's really shitty to sue the NHS unless there is some really, really strong reason for it, a death caused by incompetence, for example, and secondly surely any sane person can see that while in an ideal world we'd all be able to get whatever surgery/treatment we needed whenever we needed it, this isn't an ideal world. The NHS is very much up against the wall at the moment, due in no small part to restrictions of funds and what they can and can't do put upon them by successive governments and to go after them for this when we know that waiting lists are getting longer and longer in every part of the service is just so utterly wrong.

The Good Law Project is going very much in the wrong direction by taking on this case.

The person's attitude seems to be that being trans is a condition that requires medical "treatment".

I think the approved view is not that it requires it, but that it deserves it. "Treatment" should be provided on demand.

This is a slightly bad fit for the NHS, which is based around what people actually need.

If people want to specify what they get, they need to go private...

If breast reduction surgery is being cut back in some areas that's utterly shitty and I would utterly support someone suing for that.

There are CCGs that don't pay for breast reconstruction after cancer-related mastectomy. There have been several discussions on FWR.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3482320-Woman-DENIED-breast-reconstruction-after-cancer-due-to-funding-cuts

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3242855-Trans-versus-natal-cosmetic-care-on-NHS

""I’d chose to describe the current NHS trans healthcare system."

This article is so badly written, I can't tell what this means.

The person's attitude seems to be that being trans is a condition that requires medical "treatment". I thought this was a rather outdated and regressive view - a bit like when homosexuality was in the DSM?