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World menopause day....no mention of women!

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Bonsaibreaker · 11/10/2021 10:33

I work for a council who are advertising world menopause day and offering support to managers & staff on "coping with the menopause".

It's quite a lengthy document detailing the health affects of the menopause and how it can be supported in the work place.
This is great don't get me wrong but throughout the whole document the word woman is not said once.
We are instead:
Employees
Staff
Many people
Those who experience menopause

The page encourages staff to talk openly and without embarrassment about the menopause yet they cannot even use the word woman!

I know this is a small hill to die on but as a WOMAN going through peri-menopause it pisses me off.

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Helleofabore · 12/10/2021 13:08

Well, not sure what we all should expect.

Here is an article from last month defining lesbians as non-men.

hellogiggles.com/love-sex/sex/lesbian-sex-positions/

jlpartnerrs · 12/10/2021 11:36

Ding ding ding, Leeds

Bonsaibreaker · 11/10/2021 21:38

There is more than one.

Tbh I dont know why I am being so shadey 1000s of people work for this council!!

If I said they are so woke they cancel women only meetings in their city of spinners would that help?

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Findingthelight1 · 11/10/2021 21:07

I know where this is!
Not Red Wall, not West Yorkshire either.

Unless there's more than one (likely)

Hoardasaurusterf · 11/10/2021 20:54

As a perimenopausal mess of hot flushes, irregular periods and acne this gives me the rage! Was very pissed off earlier by a post by a fellow member of staff at my large place of work (deliberately vagueness as v outing) re money she had raised for a cervical cancer charity. She avoided the word woman throughout by using peopleHmm Thank god it wasn't people with cervixes or I may have exploded or just melted in a sweaty puddle Angry It just didn't sound right! We should not have to use this language, it's clumsy and ridiculous!

Cailleach1 · 11/10/2021 15:28

Maybe it is to point how more susceptible women are to complain from things in a way that men don't.

You see, all the men going through the menopause never complain about the symptoms or difficulties in a way women do.

You have to admire the way men sail through the menopause, and the way they put a brave face on it and plough ahead is an example to women. Tut, tut complaining women.

RealDinosaurofBarnardCastle · 11/10/2021 15:17

We are so far through the fucking looking glass
Agree with whoever said “fuck this shit”

Artichokeleaves · 11/10/2021 15:10

I've hit the point now of please don't witter at me about the importance of female biological issues or virtue signal with it unless you have the guts or care for females to name them. Because they are 100% of the target group, 99% of them prefer to call themselves women, and you're excluding many of the most vulnerable by exclusively catering to a few.

It makes an absolute hypocrisy of pretending to care about women when you make it clear that they are a dirty word.

Lottapianos · 11/10/2021 14:48

'They are proud Stonewall supporters'.

Well you may find that they're doing a U turn on that before very long. Idiots🙄

I don't blame you for feeling scared to raise this issue, which is very significant and important by the way! We had a virtual webinar about menopause in my workplace recently, led by a very experienced and no-nonsense nurse. I found myself feeling pathetically grateful for her constant references to 'ladies', as in 'some ladies experience hot flushes' and 'a few ladies report X symptom'. She knew exactly who needed to be included in her content, and who didnt

Westfacing · 11/10/2021 14:42

Red Wall area?

Westfacing · 11/10/2021 14:41

@SpindleWhirl

Have you got any Tory councillors you could approach in confidence? A lot of them hate this kind of money-wasting ideological nonsense and you're often pushing at an open door.
Something's gone badly wrong when this is a serious suggestion - and about the only avenue open!

I see Liz Truss is speaking up for Professor Kathleen Stock - haven't seen much support from Labour MPs.

I do despair - when will this lunacy end?

ErrolTheDragon · 11/10/2021 14:31

West Yorkshire or somewhere in Scotland.
Loads of woman-erasing options I fear.

I think if my organisation pulled a stunt like this I'd try to devise a very positive response thanking them for initiatives to help women in the workplace through what can be a difficult time, and how good it is to see actions which help combat structural sexism and ageism.

FrancescaContini · 11/10/2021 14:24

@Bonsaibreaker

Ahh Frances I won't take your house as its not Brighton. It's a lot more Nothern Grin
I was convinced!!!

Now, where could be more wokey than wokier-than-thou London by the Sea??

Bonsaibreaker · 11/10/2021 14:19

Ahh Frances I won't take your house as its not Brighton. It's a lot more Nothern Grin

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TheFnozwhowasmirage · 11/10/2021 14:06

Do you think that organisations that are Stonewall champions or whatever it's called,have to have a little detector installed. One that automatically activates if someone uses the words 'women,females or girls'. A claxon sounds at SW HQ and inclusivity points are deducted. For major transgressions,the person causing the activation is identified and sent for 're education'?

FrancescaContini · 11/10/2021 13:54

It’s Brighton and Hove - I bet my house on it…

It’s ludicrous - please can you point this out to them??

Bonsaibreaker · 11/10/2021 13:52

Spindle I haven't been with the council long enough to build up those sorts of relationships and honesty the 1 thing that stops me from speaking out is fear for my job and future progression.
I am very low level and have zero influence but I do want to move up the ladder and I have a tiny bit of hope that if I do I can have a voice that maybe heard.

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SpindleWhirl · 11/10/2021 13:21

Have you got any Tory councillors you could approach in confidence? A lot of them hate this kind of money-wasting ideological nonsense and you're often pushing at an open door.

KittenKong · 11/10/2021 13:13

I heard something about male menopause the other day. A man mentioned it (trying to be kind about actual menopause) - I scoffed loudly and pointed out that a mid-life crisis is psychological and not physiological, and man has never suffered from the menopause (or there’d be an effective, universally available treatment by now).

jlpartnerrs · 11/10/2021 12:08

If only I were male - I'd be tempted to identify as menopausal - is there someone who could do that for your place of work?

allthatIcando · 11/10/2021 12:05

My employer also has a Menopause policy that somehow does not mention that word woman at all. Employees, team members, individuals. Makes it sound like it happens to everyone (mentions the ageing process). Has anyone challenged this at work?

Bonsaibreaker · 11/10/2021 11:45

Not Bristol Grin

I would rather not say but it's very typical of them.
The page even links to and advises staff to visits the International Menopause Society which in all of its information manages to use the word woman throughout which is refreshing so why have my council chosen to omit the word Confused

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KittenKong · 11/10/2021 11:40

Which council - can you say (Bristol, is it Bristol?)?

WarriorNoasaurus · 11/10/2021 11:36

O my fucking god.

Being inclusive of the young girls forced through meno by pbs because they think they're male.

Fuck off.

BatmansBat · 11/10/2021 11:28

I would be tempted to push for prostate awareness day and erase men at all points in the same way. And argue how important consistency is.

But it is probably not the right way to go.