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So... if I drink from a mug with a dinosaur on it at work, or have a dinosaur emoji on my status etc etc

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MsFogi · 09/10/2021 20:23

Will that now be a subtle signal to my fellow GC sisters? I do hope so, I can't wait to see lots of dinosaurs being sported by women out and about - anyone complaining about a woman with a dinosaur is simply going to look batshit crazy Grin. (Although just to be clear I do talk about this a lot in rl but not so much at work but generally think that the more women who don't yet speak out about this can see how many others are GC the better and I suspect that the "GC Dinosaur" may just be our Bat Signal")

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sashh · 10/10/2021 04:38

I was looking at advent calendars yesterday and I saw a dinosaur one, now who should I send one to?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 10/10/2021 03:44

@snekkes

Isn't T-rex the genus? We don't call female cats felis and felicia.
It was a joke about missing words, and the difference between grammatical gender and sex, and so on.

First of all, in the binomial classification system, the first word denotes the genus, and the second word is the species.

Let's take cats: Felis catus. Felis, variant nominative singular spelling of feles, -is, feminine third declension noun, Latin word for cat. All of the small ones (e.g. the black-footed cat, Scottish wildcats) are the genus Felis, but only the domesticated species is catus (catus= Latin adjective- clever; cattus=late Latin noun for cat).

No-one's worrying over the grammatical gender of either Felis or catus, because
a) there is nothing that sex-specific about any of the words used for its binomial classification and;
b) crucially no-one is going around talking about how their female Felis catus will only eat Sheba food. Grin Cats are found the world over so every culture that values cats will have local words for them that predate Linnaeus's classification system, and local words for male cats, female cats and cute little baby cats.

I would say the English tend to call male cats boy cats or tomcats, especially unneutered males, and unneutered females are girl cats, or queens. And babies are kittens! There's simply no frustrating or amusing gap in vocabulary.

Now let's go back to the tyrannosaurs.

Tyrannosaurus is the genus (it's Greek origin and formulated to express tyrant lizard or terrible lizard, IIRC - I don't have a Greek dictionary or any knowledge of Greek beyond what I've picked up from children's books on paleontology!), and the species name is rex. But rex is Latin for king! (Rex, regis, third declension masculine noun)

And what with tyrannosaurs not being an everyday pet (thank the Maker!), we don't have a lay term for the species, never mind words for male tyrannosaurs, female tyrannosaurs or baby tyrannosaurs. So we're having to use the scientific term to talk about them. That's not necessarily a problem, because it's quite a fun word to say, but it does mean we are explicitly referring to all of this thankfully extinct species as male! Which seems somewhat implausible. Then again, maybe that's why they're all extinct... (Hmm, can I get a grant to investigate this?)

Which is just a little daft, when you notice it. So yes, why not call any female one Tyrannosaurus regina (regina= Latin for queen), at least in jest? It's a solution to that irksome gap.

bellinisurge · 10/10/2021 00:03

I will also be playing some fabulous gender non-conforming T-Rex when I can.

bellinisurge · 10/10/2021 00:02

Dinosaur face mask. Really cuddly looking ones in bright colours. It's my fuck you to some woke-y colleagues

MsFogi · 09/10/2021 23:58

Rather handily WhatsApp has Dinosaur emojis, one of which now happens to appear next to my profile name.

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DoesHePlayTheFiddle · 09/10/2021 23:56

The dinosaur pin - suppliers are wondering why so many orders...

Alekto · 09/10/2021 23:51

Brilliant, thank you

rabbitwoman · 09/10/2021 23:23

@Alekto

What channel was that on rabbitwoman? Sounds good
I hope this link works (it's on channel 4/ all 4)

www.channel4.com/programmes/britains-most-historic-towns

Voice0fReason · 09/10/2021 23:04

I think this will be a useful signal.

NotImpossible · 09/10/2021 22:42

I've been wondering what the dinosaur thing was all about but kept forgetting to look it up. I'm off to find something dinosaur-y...

RainbowCrossing · 09/10/2021 22:42
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So... if I drink from a mug with a dinosaur on it at work, or have a dinosaur emoji on my status etc etc
MsFogi · 09/10/2021 22:37

@helpforayounggirl

Oooh! I have loads of dinosaur stuff already!

But I don't cet the reference.

Will google.

It all started with the labour rubbish about GC women being dinosaurs as someone else has said and recently Standing for Women got a load of dinosaurs out (take a look on Twitter hashtag HearMeRoar)
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snekkes · 09/10/2021 22:11
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snekkes · 09/10/2021 22:10

Isn't T-rex the genus? We don't call female cats felis and felicia.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/10/2021 21:56

@DadDadDad

Is Tyrannosaurus Rex gender neutral, or should the females be called Tyrannosaura Regina? Smile
I think they'll all remain tyrannosaurus rexes. Afaik, no set convention about calling the females regina can develop, because at the time of typing, only one female tyrannosaur has ever been found in good enough condition to confirm her sex. I think we would need lots of known females to see that linguistic change happen.

Interestingly, the one, whose sex we do know, was ovulating at the time of her death.

www.nytimes.com/2005/06/03/science/t-rex-fossils-surprise-she-was-ovulating.html

snekkes · 09/10/2021 21:46

Purgatory - sure, but they're still pretty famous.

Alekto · 09/10/2021 21:26

What channel was that on rabbitwoman? Sounds good

DadDadDad · 09/10/2021 21:24

Is Tyrannosaurus Rex gender neutral, or should the females be called Tyrannosaura Regina? Smile

Leafstamp · 09/10/2021 21:22

@JustFrustrated

I'm gonna go buy a dinosaur badge now!
Me too.

Bat signal and talking point (opportunity to lead people to the top of the mountain).

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/10/2021 21:09

@snekkes

I dunno, there's a pretty famous nonbinary T-rex in Chicago.
You seem very confused. Sue had a sex. We just don't know what it was.

Let me use an analogy.

There is a popular pseudo-philosophical question that goes like this "does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if no-one is there to hear it?"

Every time I hear someone say this, it annoys the fuck out of me because of the anthropocentric assumption that a forest without humans is empty. If there are zero human ears there, there are still thousands of other set of ears there, all capable of detecting sound. The utter nerve of it.

And that's you, that is. That dinosaur had a sex, and it would have shaped his or her entire life and behaviour, millions of years before humans existed. And you think that because some irrelevant species it never encountered don't know the dinosaur's sex, it didn't have one?

Bloody. Hell.

Please, have a day off the human arrogance. The world does not revolve around us and never did.

rabbitwoman · 09/10/2021 21:02

Great question

I think Harry Potter is also a bit of a secret signal. I have a ravenclaw lanyard at work......

I was watching the Alice Roberts programme on Britain's most historic towns, and she was interviewing a lady by the statue ofa suffragette. The lady was wearing a very obvious Harry Potter necklace and some of the things she said were unmistakable to those in the know...

..... Think they went over Alice Roberts' head....

KeyboardWorriers · 09/10/2021 20:57

So did I @NothingIsWrong Grin

NothingIsWrong · 09/10/2021 20:56

Just bought one of the TeaRex pins :-)

KeyboardWorriers · 09/10/2021 20:54

I like the "tea Rex" pin!
I have t-rex earrings from scream pretty , I love wearing them. They also do t rex necklaces

Sugar hill Brighton have some lovely dinosaur jumpers and cardigans at the moment.

JustFrustrated · 09/10/2021 20:51

I'm gonna go buy a dinosaur badge now!