So... if I drink from a mug with a dinosaur on it at work, or have a dinosaur emoji on my status etc etc

Here are some quick jumping off point:

coercion of lesbians
www.thearticle.com/can-biological-males-be-lesbians (by Dr Kathleen Stock, topically)

www.gettheloutuk.com/blog/category/research/lesbians-at-ground-zero.html
Research into the exact extent of the issue, with charts

prisons
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4356627-Womens-Wellbeing-in-Prisons?pg=2

general overview

(take a bottle of water and Kendal Mint Cake)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

If you like dinosaurs and pizza I'm sure we'd get on well.

Thank you all for being gracious. I’ll leave you to it now, read up, and meet you again in the future.

We get a lot of aggressive people coming to this board to tell us how wrong and hateful we are, and leave. It's very nice to see you listening to posters here BringPizza

[quote BringPizza]@Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet I get the feeling I have naively stumbled into something quite established. I’ve not been on this board before. I’ll leave you to your dinosaurs and maybe join another thread sometime.[/quote]
Please do come back again another time. This board is full of fantastic, articulate, educated women who have a lot to say and are definitely worth listening to, even if you then decide that you don't agree with them

thank you for not putting your fingers in your ears and trying to listen. It's refreshing.

God, that wasn’t meant to sound condescending. I think I have some reading to do. I never felt threatened by this so I didn’t understand what mnetters like @TheCloudBotherer have had to deal with.

it’s not pie- more for you doesn’t mean less for me.

But that's just it, it is. If natal males are allowed access into single sex spaces for females then they are no longer single sex and I as a female lose that resource. We can't both have it.

@Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet I get the feeling I have naively stumbled into something quite established. I’ve not been on this board before. I’ll leave you to your dinosaurs and maybe join another thread sometime.

Tell you what, when TRAs address the complete and utter contempt they show women as they erode our words, safety and dignity to pander to the feelings of men.... then I'll spare a thought for those feeling distressed by women in dinosaur t-shirts. Fair?

Another account

TW: homophobia, lesbophobia, blackmail

account

"A few years ago, I used to play a MMORPG in which I joined a LGBT guild because I wanted a place where I could be myself without risking being harassed or bullied if people found out that I am a lesbian. I had a great time in this guild and made a lot of friends.

:About 3 months after I joined, a transwoman in the guild sent me a private message in-game asking if I would be interested in dating her. I politely declined. She asked if it was because she was trans and I said yes. I tried to explain as nicely and politely as possible that I just can’t deal with penises, male bodies, and male voices. I just can’t find them attractive, especially penises because just seeing them brings up memories of when I was raped as a child. She demanded that I date her anyway and threatened to tell everyone in the guild that I was transphobic if I didn’t. She also demanded that I send her nude pictures of myself. I refused. I took screenshots of the chat log just in-case, logged off, and went to bed feeling awful.

"While I was asleep, the transwoman did exactly what she said she would do. She told the guild’s leader that she asked me for make-up advice and that I responded by saying she could never look like a real woman and that I had called her a bunch of slurs. When I turned my PC on the next day, I was greeted by a message from the guild leader in the guild’s group chat on Skype (this was before Discord existed) that I was going to be removed from the guild because of my alleged transphobia. I denied it and a few of the other members came to my defense, saying it didn’t seem like something I would do, as I was always very friendly to everyone. I sent the screenshots of the chat log thinking it would clear my name, since she straight up said she was going to lie about me. Instead of focusing on that, the discussion shifted to me refusing to date her. I was told, by people that had been my friends for months, that my “genital preference” was transphobic and that I should just get over my trauma or just kill myself. I was told that even if I am not attracted to her, I have to date her to affirm her identity as a trans lesbian. I was given an ultimatum, date her or be removed from the guild. I refused and was kicked out.

"From that point on, I was bullied by my former guild-mates whenever we happened to come across each other in-game. When I joined a new guild, the transwoman and the leader of my old guild found out. They messaged the leader of my new guild and told him that I was a racist and was using hacks. This was shortly after there was an outbreak of hackers using an exploit in the game to delete parts of another player’s character data causing their characters to become corrupted and unable to be logged into (great Korean free-to-play MMO security pretend-thumbs-up-emoji) and there was quite a bit of paranoia amongst the community because of it. I was kicked from that guild too. The in-game bullying continued for a bit and I eventually quit a few weeks later.

"I was bullied in school for being a lesbian when I made the stupid mistake of reading a lesbian romance manga in class. The internet was my escape from that, where I could be myself without being afraid. I’ve tried to join other LGBT and lesbian focused communities on sites like reddit but ever since that incident with that MMO guild and similar things I’ve seen happen to girls on places like /r/actuallesbians, I have been afraid to admit that I don’t find transwomen attractive. I’m afraid to tell my LGBT-supporting friends, no matter how close we are or how long we’ve been friends. I’ve tried using dating sites and it seems like most of the lesbians on there are predatory transwomen that demand sex. I’ve been feeling pretty lonely and depressed, often thinking about suicide.:

oursuperstories.com/i-was-given-an-ultimatum-date-her-or-be-removed-from-the-guild/

'I just wish we could all get on instead of feeling outdone by others’ new found strength.'

By 'outdone' do you mean 'raped'? That's how the women raped by men in women's prisons feel. Do you 'just wish they could get on' with their rapists?

[quote BringPizza]@PurgatoryOfPotholes cute, no he’s not all 4 he’s just gay

Ref the cotton ceiling, no I’d not heard of it but 2 wrongs don’t make a right. I guess I’m being too simplistic, I just want people to be taken as they are not what others think they should be. And for no one to feel threatened by another group gaining an equal footing.[/quote]
Then, can you please, please listen?

We are seeing a brand new resurgence of homophobia. It has hit the lesbians first. It is now slowly hitting the G.

And it is real.

Lesbians are entitled not to have sex with people they find sexually unattractive and sexual coercion is always wrong.

Nearly 20 years ago, I was a stalwart member of a gay-straight alliance? Why? Because I believed in gay rights.

What's changed? Nothing. I still believe in gay rights. That's the issue.

I just want people to be taken as they are not what others think they should be.

I don't think males should be male, I know they are male. How they dress and present is completely irrelevant to me, I couldn't give a fuck, but if there is a space specifically for females then that male shouldn't be in it.

Why would your gay son be threatened by women having sex-based rights?

As the meme goes, it’s not pie- more for you doesn’t mean less for me.

Actually, that's exactly what it means. If there is a male in a female only space that I want to use, then I won't be able to use that space. So the male gets the use the female only space and I, the female, don't get to use the female only space.

How much pie is that?

@PurgatoryOfPotholes cute, no he’s not all 4 he’s just gay

Ref the cotton ceiling, no I’d not heard of it but 2 wrongs don’t make a right. I guess I’m being too simplistic, I just want people to be taken as they are not what others think they should be. And for no one to feel threatened by another group gaining an equal footing.

BringPizza

Do you expect members of the L, or parents of L teens, to be okay about the following?

extract

"I’ve been officially out as a butch lesbian since the early 00’s (and my fam knew before then, like it was a surprise to no one even as a kid in the 90’s lmao). I’m black and the community I grew up in is/was super religious. I mean old school FIRE AND BRIMSTONE FOR SINNERS kind of shit.

"The opposition I faced with that is nothing, N-O-T-H-I-N-G compared to the hatred, contempt, and homophobia encountered when dealing with the trans community. I have been fighting this fight for years only to be told I’m lying. No waaaay a man would really tell you to suck dick and a bunch of women would cheer them on and blame YOU for not being inclusive it’s happening. No waaaay that’s true!

"Oh, you have proof?

"Well, um, those aren’t REAL transwomen.

"Really? Not a single one of those people is a “real” transwoman?:lesbian-rights-nz.org/shame-receipts/

"I have lost so many friends, some of them whom I’ve known since elementary school, to this cult. People who watched me get jumped and bullied in school numerous times, literally spit on at protests, and disowned by a huge chunk of my family because I stood up for my right to marry another woman someday. They went on to call me a bigot, transphobe, TERF (ironically I’d never heard this term until I was called it), the list goes on.

"When we got the right to marry and could no longer be denied other basic rights in the US, I figured the next logical step would be to focus on homosexuals in other places where they are still in literal danger; I assumed we would listen to them and see what we could do to help them obtain those rights too.

"Instead we ended up with this. Instead I had to fight the same exact fights again, but this time against the people who were once my friends.

"For a little while, I was spared some viciousness compared to white women because BLM was the hot take and no one wanted to be perceived as a racist. I watched the nicest woman I knew, who fosters animals and children and literally would not hurt a fly, be called Karen and told to kill herself while the aggressor was cheered on. All because she didn’t want to have sex with a male.

"As for my former immunity, that’s not been the case for a while. I have been called the N-word and other slurs while my own friends are only concerned I don’t “misgender” the person using them."

From:
oursuperstories.com/i-have-been-fighting-this-fight-for-years-only-to-be-told-im-lying/

I'm not okay with this.

Gosh.

You'll find a lot of mumsnetters are L or B, or care about those who are L, G, B and yes, T. Why do I say T?

Because a teenager presently identifying as T is on a path towards procedures of body modification which all carry risks for his or her longterm health and choices, and part of parenting is not wanting your child to damage their health.

Did you know about the 'cotton ceiling'? It's a term used to denigrate and coerce lesbians who won't have sex with male people, on account of being lesbians. Is it okay for lesbians to be told they're bigoted for not dispensing sex to people who want to have sex with them?

Love the badge and the earrings btw! I want one of these: www.etsy.com/uk/listing/609593105/silver-or-gold-triceratops-dinosaur?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery

Many women here are LGBT.
When male politicians call feminists dinosaurs, it's not even discreet hate is it.

There is no hate. Just concern for women's rights.

If you see any hate, report it and I'm sure the moderators will take the appropriate action.