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DrudgeJedd · 09/10/2021 12:36

The GLP are involving themselves in legal case where a 13 yo trans child has been refused a place at a school because they are trans. twitter.com/GoodLawProject/status/1446453657227104273?t=kZOpOY23DeK3P_AxgT5nFw&s=19 I clicked through to read more as this seems like such an obvious case of transphobic discrimination I was surprised it had got to the stage of legal action.
This passage jumped out, I'm now thinking that the 'vulnerable child' mentioned here is probably a sibling of the trans child.
I'm extremely skeptical of Maugham because of the way he conducts himself on Twitter and think he's seen 'trans child' and jumped into the middle of a very fraught family situation and may cause more problems for both children involved. Obviously if it's the straightforward discrimination he claims it is then the school should definitely be held to account. Also the governor's comments mentioned are just silly, no-one is giving 13 year olds surgery.
Something about this is not passing the sniff test though...

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FemaleAndLearning · 11/10/2021 23:13

How can a child's trans status be kept secret at a new school? What about toilets, showers and changing rooms which are single sex.
I can't get my head around this. Basically any child who wanted to keep their trans stays a secret could just change schools and everyone would have to go along with it. Massive red flag.
There must be more going on, I doubt it is transphobic.
Also 3 hours a day travelling on top of a normal school day, that is just awful. If they need an hour to get ready that's 10 hours a day, when do they get to do homework and be a child?

Reptar · 11/10/2021 22:45

Don't the school have a duty of care to the child that is already a pupil?

I don't think the good Law Project should risk a test case that could change that situation. The implications are potentially far reaching.

DrudgeJedd · 11/10/2021 17:58

Suing the NHS now, he's quoted in the article at the top of this thread. He usually tweets about any media appearances but I can't see any reference to this on his tl. Wonder whyHmm
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4372275-My-post-on-the-person-suing-NHS-was-taken-down

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donquixotedelamancha · 10/10/2021 11:55

The GLP seem to be constantly recruiting new staff so he must be doing quite well out of it.

It's a fantastic model:

  1. Crowdfund for causes which are very important to a small number of people, so each one gets traction within it's niche.
  1. If you don't make enough to launch legal action, charge yourself to send a few letters and pocket the profit into general funds.
  1. If you make enough: sue. If you lose you've already been paid for the work done and there may be a bit left over for general funds.
  1. If you win you'll be awarded costs and you profit twice.

Of course you can't formally withdraw profits (because it's a charity) but you can spend money on expenses and draw the salary you set yourself. Plus it's a great way to gather influence which can be leveraged into other highly profitable opportunities.

Clymene · 10/10/2021 11:21

Well that or they have a very rapid staff turnover DrudgeJedd

DrudgeJedd · 10/10/2021 11:20

I wonder if Maugham is aware of how he is perceived outside of the little Twitter bubble he maintains by blocking anyone (mostly women) who even mildly disagrees with him.
The GLP seem to be constantly recruiting new staff so he must be doing quite well out of it.

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NonHypotheticalLurkingParent · 09/10/2021 23:58

This is an extremely vulnerable child that seems to be have moved about under the radar of the authorities and The GLP are exploring them for clicks and donations.
There’s something seriously missing from the narrative if as they say - the school will only talk with Elliot’s social worker going forward. Red flags galore.

OldCrone · 09/10/2021 23:15

Why does this child's sex need to be kept secret? Is this secrecy expected to help a child who is already vulnerable for other reasons? Do the foster parents want the child's sex to be kept secret from most of the staff as well as the other children, or is it just the children who will be lied to?

NapoleonOzmolysis · 09/10/2021 21:02

Is it a single sex school that they have applied for? Otherwise none of this makes sense.

Cabinfever10 · 09/10/2021 20:59

1 question that keeps coming to my mind is could this child be being refused a place because they expect to be allowed to change in the changing facilities/use the toilet facilities of the opposite sex to which they are and the school have said no they will have to use their actual sex facilities queue typical hissy fit (transphobic etc) said child must use their gender identities facilities so school says that they can only have a place if they agree to use the correct facilities?
Or am I completely misreading this

TheWatersofMarch · 09/10/2021 20:45

@ClareCAIS not if the arrangement is private. If your child is privately fostered for more than 28 days the LA have to be informed and they would do some checks, but probably only cursory/phone based if it all seems plausible.

Gingerkittykat · 09/10/2021 20:15

@DrudgeJedd

Was it only last week that Jolyon got a Twitter pasting for asking people to DM him with accusations about a journalist he didn't agree with? Now this... The way he throws his weight around is so unprofessional.
Naming the staff and by extension the school could identify the child and put them at risk.

The whole thing seems bizarre.

The child has lived with foster carers since June. Will they end up back with their grandfather at some point and meed to change school again.

Does the foster carer have a legal right to change the child's school? It would normally be the local authority which had that right.

All children deserve an education and if the child has been discriminated against it should be challenged but it is not clear what is happening here.

donquixotedelamancha · 09/10/2021 19:45

As PPs have said, this child has a right to privacy so there is nowhere near enough info to reach a conclusion.

The only things we can say are:

  1. That this account must be disingenuous because it doesn't remotely fit with how foster care works.
  1. That this child has not been denied a place simply because they are trans and, whatever the actual details, JM is using them for attention.
RainbowCrossing · 09/10/2021 19:32

Well that's where Foxy's story is weird because if the child is in 'foster care' they are most definitely a priority admission.

Whatwouldscullydo · 09/10/2021 19:09

I'm aware that LAC are first but others have suggested that some kind of private arrangement might not carry the same weight.

This school also is apparently undersubscribed so there must be a reason why they won't take the child, and it's certainly bizarre that if schools have to make space fir a LAC If they transfer mid yr, that there is not a single other school that will take them. A school that has no other schools closer than an hour ajd a half away would not be undersubscribed.

Alot does not add up here

There is very clearly

RainbowCrossing · 09/10/2021 19:02

@Whatwouldscullydo

And a 3 hour round trip implies 90 mins each way. If 90 mins is deemed the acceptable length if travel time fir which a LA can legally apply when allocating schools particularly in areas where there are massive over subscription problems then actually, as inconvenient as it will be ( and 90 mins each way is alot I will agree with that) then I for whatever reason the local.school can't take the child, then they aren't being subjected to anything other kids won't also be expected to do.

(I'm happy to be corrected on the travel times btw)

Yes but F/LAC are priority admissions and the school would normally be expected to make a space even if there wasn't one (although you might have to argue it with them)

That is because of the awful outcomes F/LAC as a group have compared with their peers and in general (not to say that some F/LAC children don't go on to great academic success but as a group they are hugely vulnerable) so it's to level the playing field a little.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/10/2021 18:34

The last thing needed is Foxy using them as his latest crusade, I may be being grossly unfair but I do not imagine that he has the welfare of this child at the forefront .

THIS

Whatwouldscullydo · 09/10/2021 18:28

Yy white

If there truly is no other school within the boundaries of a 3 hour round trip to one the child is already in, and this one school is the only one with spaces, it's extremely possible ( from experience round here anyway ) that there is a reason that there are spaces at the school. A reason why parebts actively avoid it. So either this is to make a point, which is not about the child at all, or the school has problems which means a child with a hectic traumatic background will just become another dace in the crowd of a school ill equipped to deal with yet more high needs children.

Will this " win" come with funding and support and equipment to see this chikd through high school , gcses and into stable employment or will they pat themselves on the back for a job well done and move in to the next one.

SadlyMissTaken · 09/10/2021 18:27

I also wonder if Gemma has imposed demands on the school it feels unable to fulfill such as nobody mentioning or questioning or in any way identifying the child's sex. I wonder if the governor's comment was also made in that context in that private schools may be smaller and more able to control their pupils or able to allocate everyone private rooms for changing without singling anyone out. Who knows. We don't have the full story, that seems clear

Whitefire · 09/10/2021 18:17

I feel very concerned that Foxy and co are picking up cases with very vulnerable people at the centre. It is not undue to presume that this child has been given a tough hand so far. One grandfather has died, the other has health concerns and they are now in some sort of foster care arrangement, the parent (s) may or may not be in their life for any number of reasons and have moved (again?) to a new area. They need a supportive, loving environment and a school that is best placed to meet their needs. The last thing needed is Foxy using them as his latest crusade, I may be being grossly unfair but I do not imagine that he has the welfare of this child at the forefront.

Whatwouldscullydo · 09/10/2021 18:13

And a 3 hour round trip implies 90 mins each way. If 90 mins is deemed the acceptable length if travel time fir which a LA can legally apply when allocating schools particularly in areas where there are massive over subscription problems then actually, as inconvenient as it will be ( and 90 mins each way is alot I will agree with that) then I for whatever reason the local.school can't take the child, then they aren't being subjected to anything other kids won't also be expected to do.

(I'm happy to be corrected on the travel times btw)

Whatwouldscullydo · 09/10/2021 18:00

The child might not have a place for a reason they haven’t chosen to share with us, but they want to blame it on ‘transphobia’ anyway because that’s what they do

We see and hear all the time don't we, of schools that become over ambitious with the number of children with AN they take on because of the extra funding they come with, but who inevitablly fail because they can't cope with them all, akd the reality is that really really funding they come with isn't realky enough to provide the support they actually need , that the school thought they could do without.

Surely it's better even if its inconvenient or even difficult, that a school is honest that they cannot accommodate the child.

What specifically is it about this school that renders it the only suitable school and that the only alternative is a three hour round trip. There must be umpteen schools within a 90 minute ( that's deemed the acceptable standard for secondary aged school to travel isn't it, in the event of over subscriptions locally ?)

There's no other school at all that this kid can attend?

DrudgeJedd · 09/10/2021 17:53

Very true alias
At least this thread may to useful to any mugs MNers still funding JMs hobbyhorses & ego

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aliasundercover · 09/10/2021 17:47

We don’t have enough info to be discussing this case. Everything we know is from the GLP, and I wouldn’t trust anything they say. The child might not have a place for a reason they haven’t chosen to share with us, but they want to blame it on ‘transphobia’ anyway because that’s what they do.
Beware what they say, they speak weasel words.

RainbowCrossing · 09/10/2021 17:34

'Alexa, what are some synonyms for 'support'?' Blush