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Iknowitisheresomewhere · 08/10/2021 20:39

Question about Prof Stock case.

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Motorina · 09/10/2021 18:30

I listened to the whole of AQ? today, rather than just the excerpt last night. I was really struck, how, in the question on whether crimes against women should be recorded as hate crimes, Caroline Flint managed to get through a comment on rape without mentioning the words 'man' or 'woman'.

Instead we got "If they are ever in the situation they are raped ... there will be an active prosecution to bring people to court and to face justice".

She was happy to talk about violence against women and violence by men and boys. But, when talking about the specifics of rape, she defaulted to gender neutral language.

A year ago I probably wouldn't have noticed this, but why are we shy about stating the reality that, almost universally, men rape and women are raped by them? Yes, I know there's the odd exception, but really.

WarriorN · 09/10/2021 18:14

Yes Jux extremely good point.

WarriorN · 09/10/2021 18:13

They've made space for the woman who only got 4 seconds last week, on misogyny. Granted these were important topics. I do suspect it will be a while yet before we get to discuss on any answers.

Jux · 09/10/2021 17:14

I loved what Goodwin said about being unable to listen to an opposing view meant you had no place in higher education. That was the highest point of the broadcast for me.

hallouminatus · 09/10/2021 16:58

Maybe they wanted to represent both sides of the argument but they couldn't because none of the callers were against free speech and in favour of bullying.

Motorina · 09/10/2021 16:29

I suspect they didn't allow any calls because they were afraid someone might say something blindingly obvious and socially unacceptable.

hallouminatus · 09/10/2021 16:21

Chris Mason commented that the question about Prof Stock had provoked "certainly our liveliest discussion" as he encouraged listeners to phone in to Any Answers. It seems very strange that no calls on this subject were broadcast on the programme.

LizzieSiddal · 09/10/2021 16:10

I’m so fed up of people lying about trans suicide rates and the BBC letting them get away with it!

lanadelgrey · 09/10/2021 16:03

So did the programme run away from the presenter - it is always a bit hit and miss or did the calls not get put through or ones on the subject not flagged up to the presenter? It was mentioned by her at the beginning

ArtemesiaK · 09/10/2021 15:14

I'm so frustrated I wasted my time listening to Any Answers (I never listen, it's too annoying). My DH suggested it was because no-one rang in about the subject. I reckon it's because too many did and they were all on the side of reality.....

Manderleyagain · 09/10/2021 14:57

I thought it was quite a change that they allowed the discussion to play put properly on the programme. That's part of the slowly turning tide I think. Radio 4 has shied away from the discussion less than other been channels though, between Today, the moral maze, the odd documentary and play, and even women's hour (tho not as much as they should have featured it). But this was new for any questions. I was expecting them to allow some anti stock / pro gender callers to balance out the panel, but instead nothing! Possibly better that way, but I expect the majority of callers were in agreement with most of the panel.

nauticant · 09/10/2021 14:55

Jess Barnard was actually a last minute replacement for Nadia Whittome who I'd much rather have been the guest representing the younger part of Labour.

andyoldlabour · 09/10/2021 14:48

So Jess, what were you studying at university?

JB - "Norms of Assertion"

That sounds interesting, I wonder if you could explain it a bit more?

JB - "Well, it basically means making shit up and never being questioned about it"

endofthelinefinally · 09/10/2021 14:47

BBC censorship.

FreezerBird · 09/10/2021 14:45

Wow. Not even a nod to it.

I'd be really interested to know what people phoning in do say.

BoreOfWhabylon · 09/10/2021 14:45

Not a mention. Again.

BoreOfWhabylon · 09/10/2021 14:41

Anita Anand has steered very determinedly away from this debate on previous programmes.

FreezerBird · 09/10/2021 14:40

@dapsnotplimsolls

Discussing misogyny now, doubt if they'll have time for Stock.
They always leave any trans-related stuff till the end; there's never enough time.
BettyFilous · 09/10/2021 14:36

@foxgoosefinch

I work in a university and I can assure you that it’s not coming from us - in fact the appearance of this particular youth culture took everyone by surprise.

I do also use various “youth” social media platforms like tumblr, discord, Reddit etc. and it’s definitely coming from there. It’s been an established internet culture for quite some time now and the students arrive at university already permeated with it.

This is an interesting point, because those spaces are open to abuse by troll farms and sustained manipulation of opinion by malign agents. You could say the same of MN, I guess, but people are expected to back up their arguments with robust evidence here and posters will challenge shonky stats and reporting. We are fortunate to have a breadth of disciplines and professions here and scientifically/statistically literate posters who can unpick crap arguments. It’s one of the things I like about MN.
dapsnotplimsolls · 09/10/2021 14:34

Discussing misogyny now, doubt if they'll have time for Stock.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 09/10/2021 14:32

I thought the debate was good.

Jess spewed misinformation and nonsense speak in a way only a ideological zealot can do.

They aren’t letting any one on Any Answers to discuss this….

WarriorN · 09/10/2021 14:21

I feel the choice of guests was exceptionally clever. Pitching Goodwin against Bradbury. He was actually v good at not getting sucked into the trans debate and stuck to the point.

Matthew goodwin's interview on Triggernometry is exceptionally interesting watching as he explains how bad getting into culture identity wars has been for Labour et al.

Manderleyagain · 09/10/2021 14:16

Listened to it. Agree what others said. I think that Caroline found was trying to present her points in an acceptable way, but the point she was making was definitely not pro gender ppl want to hear. It's any questions now.

WarriorN · 09/10/2021 14:14

@foxgoosefinch

I work in a university and I can assure you that it’s not coming from us - in fact the appearance of this particular youth culture took everyone by surprise.

I do also use various “youth” social media platforms like tumblr, discord, Reddit etc. and it’s definitely coming from there. It’s been an established internet culture for quite some time now and the students arrive at university already permeated with it.

It's all come from the US.

I was randomly researching eyfs good practise and found a brilliant article by an academic in the US about 5 years ago about exactly what I was looking for, that then andomly split into her and her husbands issues with woke scared students on campus, and their attempts to point out exactly what Goodwin outlined in this programme around the importance of free speech and critical analysis debate etc.