I think the tide may be turning

Why are people derailing by talking about the channel on which this video was posted? The video came directly from the Tik Tok of Eden Torres and Eden has been doubling down about it on Twitter, so it hasn't been misrepresented on that channel. And Eden is getting a roasting on Twitter as well.

And we have all seen the 'It's Ma'am!' video before anyway haven't we?

@KimikosNightmare my point to the op is share a different link , there are lots. My point is some peoples good opinion isn’t worth it. I’m no fan of cancel culture and if you’d ever engaged with me before on these boards you’d see I’m clearly gc. Your hitler point is the opposite to what you think it is - if hitler said the sonic trans woman was disgusting would you be shouting it from the rooftops and andy telling me to take my cancel culture elsewhere? If Peter tatchell suddenly said prisons should be single sex would all his pedophilic tendencies suddenly be ok? I’ve never seen quite such right wing commentators shared on this topic here, I read them quite a bit and they are full of informed people with inspirational views and insights into how to be a better feminist. It’s not necessary.

The Times today has JK Rowling on the front page of the Culture section and the top of the mast head of the main paper. The comments are overwhelmingly supportive apart from a couple quibbling about whether she's any good as a writer.

The Guardian couldn't publish this.

The transwoman who posted that Sonic clip is getting no support on Twitter.

Then I went onto Twitter and found this, by accident, from the transwoman in the first clip:

“All I want” ( ha ha ha, because it’s about your wants) is for Sonic (a drive-in burger chain with servers on skates, very retro) to “train every single employee on how to properly affirm us.”

Not train them how to address customers, but how to affirm customers.

Again, when asked what this person was (a clunky way to ask—‘how would you like to be addressed’ would have been better), the answer was a question.

Back to the video compilation, i was struck in the first example that when the employee at Sonic was asked what he was, he said male. He then asked “what are you” and the answer from the transwoman was “what do you think?”

Not, I’m a woman. Not I’m a transwoman and prefer to be addressed as ma’am. No, it was what do I look like?

Like posters who go on sites and ask “how old do I look?”

All about seeking affirmation. Nothing to do with merely wanting to be addressed by preference. They could have said I prefer to be called ma’am and many people—certainly in service professions—would respect that as a courtesy.

The Cologne reporting was awful and they lost me after 20 something years of reading.

I'm citing sources you no doubt think are terrifyingly right wing (which of course they aren't- particularly Brendan O'Neill in Spiked) No doubt others here can point you in the direction of left-wingers.

It's a rehash of that ridiculous "Hitler was a vegetarian" gotcha.

The turning point for me with regard to the Guardian, was the way they covered the new year sex attacks in Cologne and other German cities and the way they were deleting comments on articles, whilst pushing their "Comment is free" mantra.

They were so very dishonest about Cologne it shocked me as I had seen them as somewhat misguided but morally sound up to that point. That kind of thing rarely shocks me any more.

Seriously? Yes the wispa incident was an awful example of the cost to women of this men must be included and no one shall protest trend. That in no way changes or invalidates anything I said. If you team up with morally corrupt excuses for human beings who give no shits about you or anyone who’s not in their club (newsflash - women are not) on the way you may not like where it ends up. Here’s a fun take on Tucker Carlson for you. www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/a26839758/tucker-carlson-fox-news-bubba-the-love-sponge-comments-women-explained/
I’m not in the us, I have lived there for years, I have family there. But anyone can know this stuff.

I think it’s totally irrational to sound like you’re comparing the two presidents, when actually you are talking about this particular point. Yes, it’s significant, but world war 3 won’t be good for women either. The unfettered pandemic let rage has been awful for women. Separating children and treating them badly hurts their parents, particularly their mothers forever. Trump supporters will ban abortions full stop if they have their way and have women back in the kitchen.

If there is a times link I’ll happily read it. The op post link to a YouTube channel is NOT a Times link and I don’t see one on a quick scroll through @KimikosNightmare @Babdoc
I’m not denying the tide has potentially hit a turning point, if people are referring to me with that comment. This same news is shown on a few sites - share those. May as well watch and amplify someone who cares about reality and women, not someone who would sell their grandma and 1000 of their own women supporters along with her for a story that hurts Biden. It must be possible to maintain some integrity on the journey to a better world!

The Guardian's coverage of the New Year sex attacks in Cologne was a Ratner's moment, albeit one where the fall-out is unfolding very slowly.

334bu come on, that man is an active danger to democracy and human rights in the US. Still pass.

Agree , but TWAW puts woman in real danger as well. Biden will be responsible for every woman raped in a US prison. Do those women not matter in the land of the free?

A channel founded by tucker fake news Carlson? Pass.

It is vital for us to ignore the actual content and instead only focus on the source, which enables us to dismiss things that are in conflict with our blinkered view of the world. This is a Rochdale scandal enabling kind of thinking and is utterly dismal to see.

I would say the Times is the very definition of mainstream media, and it is resolutely gender critical. It has enjoyed a big rise in readership, mainly women deserting the Guardian over this issue.
Desperate denial of reality seems to be a feature of gender ideologists. The poster trying to frantically pretend that the tide has not turned fits the mould perfectly.

@334bu come on, that man is an active danger to democracy and human rights in the US. Still pass.