Netflix urged to take down Dave Chapelle’s show after accusations of ‘anti-LGBT diatribes’

The bit at the end about Daphne actually made me tear up a little, when he said she wasn't part of their tribe, she was part of his. In telling her story he beautifully exposed the toxicity of the TRA movement, how they'll brutally turn on anyone who dares step out of line, even the people they claim to be representing. And I think he nailed the thing we've been saying since the start - we have nothing against trans people on a personal level, many of us know and care about at least one trans person, but we do have a problem with the ideology and the way the activists behave.

Isn't it weird how there are certain kinds of faces that you see again and again?

Turns out he's a massive anti-Semite. Brilliant.

I can't support that. I just can't. No matter if he's on the money about the trans stuff.

After giving it more thought, I'm not sure he is actually on the money regarding that. What he said is inflammatory at best. I don't think it helps our cause.

Dead ringer for Carson from Downton Abbey.

I found a lot of it offensive, in the same way I used to find Frankie Boyle offensive. I found myself pleased to hear him talk about this issue and aware that I am prepared to be offended if it means people are able to talk/satiricise and publicly comment on issues. I have zero respect for Boyle who was perfectly prepared to be disgusting about women, and simply support our silencing on the issue of GC - he is a true misogynist in my eyes. I don't think Chappelle "gets" it from a woman's viewpoint. But he gets it from the point of view of an onlooker interested in fairness. The story about Daphne was genuinely moving and gave me a glimpse of DC as someone I might actually quite like behind the stage persona with all the bravado and the calling of women bitches etc. I liked it when he said "if we aint laughing together, we aint laughing". But it would be good to see him include women in that togetherness.

With comedians it really is mainly about them touching on the issue at all, and revealing some of the contradictions.

It's never going to be a systematic full-on exposition of the issues involved in a particular area.

That was the best joke in the whole thing. It was genuinely very funny

That was one of the bits i laughed at…very funny

What is it with Moore's headtilt?

Never heard of this guy but sounds encouraging. I always think good comedians must be biting their hands trying not to take the piss out of all this stuff in public - 100 genders and pronouns and non binary bla bla being taken really seriously is such a gift to comedians because its so ridiculous.

I took a look at Jaclyn's twitter. Apparently Jaclyn's big issue is that the health insurance Jaclyn has through the Writer's Guild of America won't pay for nosejobs, which Jaclyn needs to be a proper woman. But Starbuck's does, so maybe now that Jaclyn is quitting Netflix, Jaclyn can train as a barista.

[quote trancepants]Look at the comments on the Variety article about Jaclyn Moore's threat to stop working with Netflix. It's being ratio-ed to fuck. I think there is definitely a sea change happening at the minute.

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I just read that thread. All the head tilting made me feel seasick.

I honestly suspect that this is a subject that will quite quickly achieve a critical mass in terms of changing direction. Most of the people in my social groups are very, very leftist and woke. But the majority of people in the world, I very firmly believe, know this shit is bullshit. Even if they don't know enough to realise it's dangerous, they know it's bullshit. People are either 'being kind' to the old stereotype of a 'harmless transexual,' or they have given it very little thought or they are firmly GC and afraid to speak up. There are other people, who were like I once was, who are people who would have always identified as activists, who are starting to realise that they don't agree with all of the woke group think. I think the 2slgbtqqia+ and the straight "demi queers" are pushing more than a few people over the edge. But once people realise how far this shit is being pushed, and the more a small but vocal number of people speak up, all of a sudden fucking everyone will stand up and speak up.

[quote trancepants]Look at the comments on the Variety article about Jaclyn Moore's threat to stop working with Netflix. It's being ratio-ed to fuck. I think there is definitely a sea change happening at the minute.

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Excellent Twitter replies.

I watched till the end. The Daphne anecdote is excellent. I like how he is defiant about telling offensive jokes because he knows Daphne would have loved it.

Look at the comments on the Variety article about Jaclyn Moore's threat to stop working with Netflix. It's being ratio-ed to fuck. I think there is definitely a sea change happening at the minute.

twitter.com/Variety/status/1446232724147040268

If they take it down Im cancelling my netflix (tbf its shit anyway, Dave is probably the best thing on it)

I think the whole "gender debate" is so massive that it's very easy to miss the big picture. I think a lot of people come to this when they see a small piece personal to them, they see JKR being vilified, or Laurel Hubbard in the Olympics, or a transsexual friend being harassed by TRAs. They see that small bit, and they see it is wrong, but it takes a bit of time to see how it all connects into the bigger picture.

I also thought the 'they' joke was the funniest one.

When he was talking about bathrooms, he was implying that a TW peeing next to him was quite threatening. Which made me think, hmm, he does get it. He just isn't joining the dots for everyone.

Anyway, he doesn't have to get every nuance of every debate. There's lots of things I think he doesn't 'get' (not just gender ideology) or maybe it's just that I don't see it the way he does. But the fact that he's talking about it and the fact that the audience CLEARLY knew what he was talking about - that's encouraging. The audience understood everything. As a pp said, it's mainstream, despite very few people being brave enough to talk about it. Courage calls to courage.

I'm not going to be outraged though - he's telling jokes, not literally beating up women.

He did have a go at all the LGB, plus women, but it was all to set up the part about the T.

Just read that back, and it sounds more nefarious than I intended. I should qualify that I don't think his intention was to have a go at T people per se. I think he is showing that he will make jokes about anyone, and that in doing so, is arguing that is is not hate speech, just that comedy has no limits. And also, that comedy has allowed him to form alliances (like the one with Daphne) outside of tribal loyalties.

I’ve watched the first half so far. It’s hit and miss in terms of laughs. The hits include him nailing how black people still end up bottom of the pile; his example of an offended white gay person will call the police on knowing being white still prevails over a black man regardless. And how the black community hasn’t made anywhere near the strides the LGB(T) community has made. Martin Luther King imploring more floats etc.

He inadvertently points out the problem about “bathrooms” (to use the Americanism). Talks about how tough it is and how a law enforcing same sex bathroom use isn’t fair for those people, but also only focuses on his own feelings about being uncomfortable with gender non-conforming males in the bathroom with him without reflection on this which is a shame.

But the important thing to note is I don’t believe many of the things he says actually happened, or happened exactly. He’s constructing a narrative, to stimulate, deliberately offend, to poke fun at himself as well as others. It’s evidence of an experienced stand up. It’s fallacy to take from it that he himself believes all of what he’s saying or you can infer what he’s like. He even talks about being accused of transphobia 16 years ago with people misunderstanding jokes, misquoting jokes etc when he was just doing a show and about how it’s art to be interpreted without that meaning you know what he really thinks.

I’ll keep watching.

He did have a go at all the LGB, plus women, but it was all to set up the part about the T.

I enjoyed watching the audience. Obviously, most people there would have been DC fans, so were laughing uproariously, but it was refreshing to see a lot of younger people of both sexes and all races there - it gives me a bit of hope that younger people are no longer staying silent and pushing back in their everyday lives. There were 2 stony faced women and a beardy man near the front who were clearly disapproving - and unintentionally funny to watch in the process.