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Netflix urged to take down Dave Chapelle’s show after accusations of ‘anti-LGBT diatribes’

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ItsRainingProstateOwners · 07/10/2021 16:50

news.sky.com/story/netflix-urged-to-pull-down-dave-chappelles-new-show-after-accusations-of-anti-lgbtq-diatribes-12428009

Says he is “team TERF” and backs JK Rowling.

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NonnyMouse1337 · 09/10/2021 11:30

@Lea1437

Nevermind the head tilt, what about the tattoo Hmm
What the......
ElaineMarieBenes · 09/10/2021 10:15

I highly recommend watching all of Dave’s Netflix specials (in order!) - this one is ‘the closer’. He is not just funny but thought provoking and very clever!

NecessaryScene · 09/10/2021 09:21

Yes he used to be pretty pro TRA didn't he?

Don't think so - he's always been rather skeptical as long as I can remember commenting. But he's been increasingly outspoken.

He's a moderate conservative - was taking the lead on gay marriage back in the 90s, but don't think he's ever been in favour of the radical "LGBTQ" stuff.

Indeed, being in favour of gay marriage in the 90s was going against the radicals - the equivalent of the TRAs back - who regarded marriage as a heteronormative institution that they wanted to "queer".

Sparring partner Glenn Greenwald, coming from the left, another gay man, has been somewhat more pro-TRA, but is increasingly skeptical. Hasn't yet come up with anything quite like that though - he's not as deep into the technical bits of the subject, more just worried about the shape of the movement, particularly how authoritarian it is. He did just call out someone demanding Jesse Singal and Graham Linehan be banned from Substack recently.

ScreamingMeMe · 09/10/2021 09:13

@LobsterNapkin

The Sullivan article is on his own website, so I think it should be around for a while.

It's been interesting to watch his engagement with this, he keeps seeing more and more and I can almost picture his growing horror.

Yes he used to be pretty pro TRA didn't he?
NutellaEllaElla · 09/10/2021 07:10

And people are imperfect. This purity spiral stuff is divisive and unhelpful. It's GOOD to find common ground. You're much more likely to change someone's mind that way.

LobsterNapkin · 09/10/2021 02:18

Yeah, you really can't assume that what is in a comedy show reflects the views of the comedian in a direct way, and certainly not in a nuanced way.

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2021 01:52

But it’s not his view of Michael Jackson. It’s his view that a joke like that about Michael Jackson would be provocative, offensive, and funny and worth putting in that show.

FromEden · 09/10/2021 01:34

I'm surprised at all the love DC is getting in here too, you don't have to dig deep to find something a bit iffy.

That was a different special from a few years ago. They tried to cancel him then too. I dont agree with his views about Michael Jackson and I didn't like the child abuse joke in this show either. I can still find other things he says funny though.

LobsterNapkin · 08/10/2021 23:14

The Sullivan article is on his own website, so I think it should be around for a while.

It's been interesting to watch his engagement with this, he keeps seeing more and more and I can almost picture his growing horror.

SirSamuelVimes · 08/10/2021 22:53

I know time and I do see the change as positive - it's just galling to see a man getting clapped and a woman getting death threats.

I agree with you, JKR is so brave. Be interesting to see what happens next.

Lea1437 · 08/10/2021 22:53

Nevermind the head tilt, what about the tattoo Hmm

timeisnotaline · 08/10/2021 22:49

@SirSamuelVimes partly true but JKr said it back when it was burn at the stake material. Just the fact he’s saying it shows it’s not anymore. I’ll be very interested in the changing reception JKR gets, she’s a very brave woman.

lilmishap · 08/10/2021 22:45

That Andrew Sullivan article is jaw dropping. I'm wondering if it will be allowed to stay up

SirSamuelVimes · 08/10/2021 22:36

[quote DysonSphere]He's been given a standing ovation!

Dave Chappelle gets applauded in LA amid JK Rowling transgender spat www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10073433/Dave-Chappelle-gets-standing-ovation-LA-backing-JK-Rowling-transgender-spat.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead[/quote]
Fucking typical though, isn't it? JKR says it and she get thrown under the bus. A man says he agrees with her, he gets applause.

EarthSight · 08/10/2021 21:37

@TanquerayTickles

If they're worried about Dave Chappelle they're going to lose their collective shit when they see Ricky Gervais next Netflix special!

I went to see his Human Nature tour last week and he went IN on the absurdity of it all, pointing out all the obvious and ridiculous pitfalls in a comedy fashion.

It's being filmed for Netflix and is his next special so there will be meltdowns everywhere. You can't cancel Gervais!

@TanquerayTickles Wow. I'll definitely be watching that!
NecessaryScene · 08/10/2021 21:06

Good piece by Andrew Sullivan:

Dave Chappelle Is Right, Isn't He?

Chappelle’s final Netflix special, “The Closer,” is a classic. Far from being outdated, it’s slightly ahead of its time, as the pushback against wokeness gains traction. It is extremely funny, a bit meta, monumentally mischievous, and I sat with another homo through the whole thing, stoned, laughing our asses off — especially when he made fun of us. The way the elite media portrays us, you’d think every member of the BLT community is so fragile we cannot laugh at ourselves. It doesn’t occur to them that, for many of us, Chappelle is a breath of honest air, doing what every comic should do: take aim at every suffocating piety of the powers that be — including the increasingly weird 2SLGBTQQIA+ mafia — and detonating them all.

The Closer is, in fact, a humanely brilliant indictment of elite culture at this moment in time: a brutal exposure of its identitarian monomania, its denial of reality, and its ruthless tactics of personal and public destruction. It marks a real moment: a punching up against the powerful, especially those who pretend they aren’t.

Bigoted? Please. Anyone who can watch this special and think Chappelle is homophobic or transphobic is either stupendously dumb or a touchy fanatic. He is no more transphobic than J.K. Rowling, i.e. not at all, and the full set masterfully proves it to anyone with eyes and ears.

He also uses this as an opportunity to talk about Abigail's Shrier interview with Bowers and Anderson.

DysonSphere · 08/10/2021 20:21

He's been given a standing ovation!

Dave Chappelle gets applauded in LA amid JK Rowling transgender spat www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10073433/Dave-Chappelle-gets-standing-ovation-LA-backing-JK-Rowling-transgender-spat.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead

RainbowZebraWarrior · 08/10/2021 18:49

@JoodyBlue

I found a lot of it offensive, in the same way I used to find Frankie Boyle offensive. I found myself pleased to hear him talk about this issue and aware that I am prepared to be offended if it means people are able to talk/satiricise and publicly comment on issues. I have zero respect for Boyle who was perfectly prepared to be disgusting about women, and simply support our silencing on the issue of GC - he is a true misogynist in my eyes. I don't think Chappelle "gets" it from a woman's viewpoint. But he gets it from the point of view of an onlooker interested in fairness. The story about Daphne was genuinely moving and gave me a glimpse of DC as someone I might actually quite like behind the stage persona with all the bravado and the calling of women bitches etc. I liked it when he said "if we aint laughing together, we aint laughing". But it would be good to see him include women in that togetherness.
Watched till the end and agree with all of this.
BelleHathor · 08/10/2021 15:52

Some comedy is meant to be dark, never a truer word said in jest etc.
Remember Ricky Gervais hosting the Golden Globes last year as he joked in a room full of Hollywood elites about the Weinstein company "buying" Golden Globes for actresses. It was meant to make the audience feel uncomfortable, as a lot of them knew and benefited from Weinstein's abuses and kept quiet while it suited them.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=iJOb9xHggS4

NonnyMouse1337 · 08/10/2021 15:49

There were 2 stony faced women and a beardy man near the front who were clearly disapproving - and unintentionally funny to watch in the process.

Their constipated, stony expressions were so funny while everyone around was howling with laughter. 😂

NonnyMouse1337 · 08/10/2021 15:44

@AlfonsoTheDinosaur

A question to those who watched Chapelle's show - was the 'diatribe' aimed at LGB or just T?
He mostly took the piss out of white people. He also made jokes about feminists, women, lesbians, gays, trans.... Don't think he made fun of bisexuals this time apart from saying we should be more like them ( don't want to say too much or it would give away the joke).
RedDogsBeg · 08/10/2021 15:36

@AlfonsoTheDinosaur

What is it with Moore's headtilt?
A veritable feast of coy head tilts and coquettish side eye to the camera, to mis-quote a famous tag line from an advert Moore you are really spoiling us.
RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 08/10/2021 15:32

Sorry where are people saying they love Dave Chappelle?

I think someone said they liked him, maybe it was loved him but that doesn’t translate to ‘all the love’

Journeyofthedragons · 08/10/2021 15:26

I'm surprised at all the love DC is getting in here too, you don't have to dig deep to find something a bit iffy.

Netflix urged to take down Dave Chapelle’s show after accusations of ‘anti-LGBT diatribes’
MarshmallowSwede · 08/10/2021 15:13

From Twitter:

Netflix urged to take down Dave Chapelle’s show after accusations of ‘anti-LGBT diatribes’
Netflix urged to take down Dave Chapelle’s show after accusations of ‘anti-LGBT diatribes’