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Netflix urged to take down Dave Chapelle’s show after accusations of ‘anti-LGBT diatribes’

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ItsRainingProstateOwners · 07/10/2021 16:50

news.sky.com/story/netflix-urged-to-pull-down-dave-chappelles-new-show-after-accusations-of-anti-lgbtq-diatribes-12428009

Says he is “team TERF” and backs JK Rowling.

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IrishMel · 11/10/2021 04:03

I watched with my adult son and it is amazing. He points out how the trans community have had it in for him from the starts and without ruining or spoiling the show he tells of a good trans friend of his and it is moving and sad and uplifting. It is one of his best shows. I do not care if someone is trans straight gay etc but I do care if a trans person is in the women's toilets and they still have a penis. Women need our safe spaces.

cruzrack · 11/10/2021 03:32

Just finished watching this and truly believe it was amazing! Love Dave Chappelle and his message. As he said, empathy goes in ALL directions!

Eucalyptustrees · 10/10/2021 22:10

@IvyTwines2

And as Moore is reportedly 6'5" tall and has a penchant for sleeveless tops that means whoever is sitting next to Moore on a flight, for example (as described on Moore's Twitter in August, about the spurty penis one) has the image stuck in their face for hours.
Or in a meeting at work. Horrible.

I think Moore should mind the door doesn't hit theys arse on the way out.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 10/10/2021 21:38

Those photos 😮

How can people see those and still not believe there are transwomen for whom it is basically a fetish riding on the coat tails of the movement?

IvyTwines2 · 10/10/2021 21:10

And as Moore is reportedly 6'5" tall and has a penchant for sleeveless tops that means whoever is sitting next to Moore on a flight, for example (as described on Moore's Twitter in August, about the spurty penis one) has the image stuck in their face for hours.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 10/10/2021 21:02

Dh and I have watched the show now. It took us a while to tune into the level of irony but once we had got it we came away thinking he is very clever, very precise in his language, sophisticated in his irony and with a serious ethical purpose. Which was not what I expected at all given that he absolutely is deliberately shocking.
He is absolutely nothing like Jim Davidson and I am at a loss as to how anyone could think that.

IvyTwines2 · 10/10/2021 21:00

@Lea1437

Nevermind the head tilt, what about the tattoo Hmm
The tattoo Moore has below it is actually worse: a twitter user describes it as 'a trussed up woman with no head arms or legs'!
somethinginoffensive · 10/10/2021 20:55

Final paragraph from Glinner

A white man who LARPs as a woman and worked on a show that was supposed to be by and about people of colour is claiming that a black comedian is oppressing him. What a time to be alive.

The photos are quite something.

Lordamighty · 10/10/2021 20:19

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/variety-a-white-male-oppression-tourist?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=

Glinner has posted about Moore, be warned though there are photos of them on there that you may wish you hadn’t seen.

SpindleWhirl · 10/10/2021 20:16

Dave Chappelle just made me cool in a section of SM world, in the sense of not a sad old cunt but an organised Greenham t*r f warrior. Don't know quite how I feel about that tbh.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 10/10/2021 19:58

The ‘you owe me royalties’ thing was bonkers. As if ‘Mike Pence might be gay!’ was such a clever joke that Chapelle couldn’t possibly have thought of it independently.
It made the author come across as not very rooted in reality.

Eucalyptustrees · 10/10/2021 19:08

That was very funny LostButtons.

Ultimately, comedy does work on thin ice and that's why it's enjoyable.

LostButtons · 10/10/2021 18:42

I love the part Dave Chappelle talks about and compared it to Eminem winning 'black man' of the year. Although he uses slightly different language. Grin

BraveBananaBadge · 10/10/2021 08:18

Oh, that letter RoyalCorgi! What an ode to entitlement and professional victimhood!

My eyes rolled straight out of my head. While of course they have every right to publish a critical take on Chappelle, and I totally understand if he offended people past the point of no return, this was just so, so bad. Badly written, badly argued, and in bad faith. Dread to think how smug Mx is feeling today about it.

I got to 'Dave you owe me royalties' and stopped reading. Of course he does. Every damn time.

VladmirsPoutine · 09/10/2021 19:55

I was being facetious. I've followed his career long enough to know his schtick - the rest of post infers such. He so obviously isn't.

KimikosNightmare · 09/10/2021 19:53

He's not an ally

This "ally" "not an ally" is so silly. Back in the day when I was ridiculously left wing I was still very grateful when Ann Widdecombe and the late Alan Clark both opposed transport of veal calves.

RedDogsBeg · 09/10/2021 19:50

Americans do this though, IME. There are lots of what would be considered transphobic memes that say things like: "if I had a dollar for every gender that exists, I'd have two dollars."

Americans seem to be a bit prudish about the word sex.

KimikosNightmare · 09/10/2021 19:44

Brendan O'Neill's take on it.

In his own way Brendan O'Neill has achieved uncancellable status too.

www.spiked-online.com/2021/10/08/brendan-on-dave-chapelle/

NonnyMouse1337 · 09/10/2021 19:40

@VladmirsPoutine

Dave Chapelle is an interesting ally in all this and I doubt his support stems from his new found support for women's rights. He commented that rapper Da Baby's career suffered practically zero consequences for killing a man a few years ago but now has for making homophobic comments at concert not too long ago. And I'm not entirely sure he really gets it as he misquoted JKR and used the word 'gender' as opposed to 'sex'.
He's not an ally. He's a comedian who has built a reputation for saying things many people wish they could say or joke about, and for also making insightful comments while taking the piss out of all groups (including feminists).
Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/10/2021 17:24

And I'm not entirely sure he really gets it as he misquoted JKR and used the word 'gender' as opposed to 'sex'.

Americans do this though, IME. There are lots of what would be considered transphobic memes that say things like: "if I had a dollar for every gender that exists, I'd have two dollars."

BelleHathor · 09/10/2021 17:20

@RoyalCorgi

The Guardian has a typically humourless take on it:

www.theguardian.com/stage/2021/oct/09/dave-chappelle-letter-trans-comedian-netflix

Plenty to enjoy in there, including:

"What could be a greater mockery than you throwing Black women under the bus to cape for JK Rowling, an insidious white woman?"

Insidious, eh? That'll larn her.

And:

"We listen when you compare our genders to blackface, as if both were defined by slapping on some paint, to make a mockery of those we oppress."

Er...

The Author is Transgender, hence the "What could be a greater mockery than you throwing Black women under the bus to cape for JK Rowling, an insidious white woman?" which doesn't reflect what I know most Black Women think nor the large number of "IloveJKR" type usernames on Lipstickalley.
VladmirsPoutine · 09/10/2021 15:33

Dave Chapelle is an interesting ally in all this and I doubt his support stems from his new found support for women's rights. He commented that rapper Da Baby's career suffered practically zero consequences for killing a man a few years ago but now has for making homophobic comments at concert not too long ago. And I'm not entirely sure he really gets it as he misquoted JKR and used the word 'gender' as opposed to 'sex'.

RoyalCorgi · 09/10/2021 14:55

The Guardian has a typically humourless take on it:

www.theguardian.com/stage/2021/oct/09/dave-chappelle-letter-trans-comedian-netflix

Plenty to enjoy in there, including:

"What could be a greater mockery than you throwing Black women under the bus to cape for JK Rowling, an insidious white woman?"

Insidious, eh? That'll larn her.

And:

"We listen when you compare our genders to blackface, as if both were defined by slapping on some paint, to make a mockery of those we oppress."

Er...

trancepants · 09/10/2021 12:15

@Lea1437

Nevermind the head tilt, what about the tattoo Hmm
I was almost, almost, starting to feel sorry for Moore. The sudden about turn that Twitter is taking must be a shock to the system. To go from being celebrated as so funny and stunning and brave and special. So much so that you feel 100% confident in basically trying to very publicly manipulate Netflix into giving you a role in commissioning new content. Which is clear as day to me after reading this quote, But what I really want is I want companies to hire trans people to work there who can say, “Hey, we sure about this?” The fact of the matter is there are very rarely trans people in those rooms and yet we are so often the subject of the derision. We’re very rarely in any decision-making positions. And I think that’s my bigger concern.

And to suddenly in the space of 2 days have to face the fact that the vast, vast majority of people think you are a disgrace. For taking the showrunner job on DWP. For criticising Chappelle. For being a ridiculous, attention seeking imitation of a woman. For your stupid fucking head tilt.

I really am so socialised to empathy that I felt bad for Moore even though, to be totally honest, Moore makes my skin crawl. And then I saw that tattoo. And fucking fuck. It's so utterly fucking disgustingly contemptuous of women. I'm honestly so very repulsed. I do feel potentially really bad for the tattoo artist. I really, really hope it wasn't a woman who felt socially compelled, yet deeply uncomfortable spending hours on what is clearly a fetish act.

NonnyMouse1337 · 09/10/2021 11:42

Interview of Andrew Sullivan by Andrew Doyle.