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Pride in Surrey takes on PCC

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C4tintherug · 06/10/2021 21:17

www.prideinsurrey.org/pccag-news

“From the offset, Ms Townsend asserted that we would not change her mind and she fully believed that "male
bodied people" are not women and that the use of women's refuges should be for people who were born women.
Ms Townsend went on to assert that she "believes in sex, not gender". “

We are with you Lisa- don’t be bullied!

Pride in Surrey takes on PCC
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Iwishihadariver · 02/11/2021 22:41

[quote OhHolyJesus]I've never see that they have real standing, or capacity, to be making or promoting policy direction.

I tend to agree. The direct quote on this article doesn't really say anything other than 'we need pride'. The comments are interesting too.

https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/cowardly-vandalism-reigates-new-rainbow-22032688[/quote]
Cockshot Hill?

TedImgoingmad · 02/11/2021 22:33

Really pleased at Pride in Surrey taking this stance. It's giving an opportunity for ordinary constituents to air their views that biological reality exists and vocally support their elected official in doing what they elected her to do - serving the whole community, not just a tiny minority of gobshites. Sunlight, sunlight.

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C4tintherug · 02/11/2021 22:23

What a reply!

“I assume the council has decided that getting woke cookies, is more important that taking the needs of disabled people into consideration? Would anyone on the council like to explain to my autistic child why it doesn’t matter that she will refuse to cross it, as it’s ‘the wrong colour’ or she finds it overwhelming, as the colours are too busy? Would you like to explain to blind people that the fact that it confuses some of the dogs, thus putting them at risk of injury or worse, is really way down your list of priorities. The needs of the disabled in your community, trampled over by the wants of others.”

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OhHolyJesus · 02/11/2021 21:44

I've never see that they have real standing, or capacity, to be making or promoting policy direction.

I tend to agree. The direct quote on this article doesn't really say anything other than 'we need pride'. The comments are interesting too.

https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/cowardly-vandalism-reigates-new-rainbow-22032688

LobsterNapkin · 08/10/2021 13:56

@andyoldlabour

What a disgusting situation, trying to have an elected person removed for having totally reasonable views. How far down the rabbit hole of madness have we gone?
I've wondered what there is about Pride organisations that tend in this direction.

While they have obviously always been about activism in a certain sense, I've never see that they have real standing, or capacity, to be making or promoting policy direction. Many Pride groups are mainly there to run a festival.

But there seem to be Pride groups all over that see themselves as properly stepping into politics, or trying to enforce censorship, always on behalf of the LGBT+ community. .

PermanentTemporary · 08/10/2021 13:47

About Stonewall and the refuge - I'm thinking of Stonewall Housing and The Outside Project. Apologies, it doesn't seem to be purely for trans people but for the full LGBT+.

I'd wonder if a housing element of Stonewall is more focused on practical reality than the campaigning element. Sounds a great initiative.

andyoldlabour · 08/10/2021 10:28

OhHolyJesus

That twitter feed is a shining example of ordinary people voicing their opinions, as you say 100%.
Good luck to Lisa Townsend.

OhHolyJesus · 08/10/2021 09:55

No problem @tiddlysquat.

Checking the replies on that tweet I see nothing but 100% ratio of rejection of Surrey Pride's big plans for the removal of Lisa.

twitter.com/prideinsurrey/status/1445813073277636610?s=21

tiddlysquat · 07/10/2021 22:03

@OhHolyJesus thank you I will email.

TyneFilth · 07/10/2021 21:51

I live in Surrey, use the canal daily, thank my lucky stars I have never required DV or sexual assault counselling, and have accordingly emailed Lisa Townsend my thoughts.

SpindleWhirl · 07/10/2021 18:24

I think there's a lot less time for posturing, aggressive police officers, too.

PizzaBase · 07/10/2021 18:20

Although there's still a lot of incoming madness like this, over the last couple of years the tide has turned and people in general are fed-up with the ranting, posturing, and other "marginalised community" nonsense.

They're coming across like spoilt little children. The more they do it, the less people have time for it.

OhHolyJesus · 07/10/2021 17:52

@tiddlysquat

How do we email her to show our support. I'm a constituent or whatever it would be?!
This came from a previous thread re Lisa.

FAO Lisa Townsend PPC,
Surrey Police HQ,
Mount Browne, Sandy Lane,
Guildford
GU3 1HG

Email: [email protected]

But I dug this out too

Gavin Stephens. Email: [email protected].

tiddlysquat · 07/10/2021 15:46

How do we email her to show our support. I'm a constituent or whatever it would be?!

Rhannion · 07/10/2021 13:18

@Warmduscher

I voted for Lisa just before I moved up north from Surrey. I had emailed her and the other PCC candidates about my concerns around women’s prisons, refuges, etc.

She said she had been inundated with women contacting her about these issues and she felt it was an incredibly important issue because Surrey women had told her it was important to them.

One candidate never replied at all and the other said he was on the fence about crimes committed by transwomen being recorded as being committed by women.

So, for the first time in my life, I voted for the Conservative candidate. I really hope Lisa can hold her nerve.

I think Lisa will hold her nerve. I emailed her to show support and had a very positive reply. Lisa knows that her view is the logical and reasonable one, and she knows the strength of feeling not only in her area , but across the UK.
SpindleWhirl · 07/10/2021 12:13

from Surrey county council website:

Meeting
Surrey Police and Crime Panel - Wednesday, 24 November 2021 10.30 am
Attendance details
Add meeting to your calendar using VCS format
The agenda will be displayed in the week before the meeting

Proposed venue: Woodhatch Place, Reigate, Surrey

Contact: Amelia Christopher Email: [email protected]
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The officer listed, if requested, should pass on written deputations to the committee members and give sight of them to the PCC and Chief Constable.

The contact details of the individual members (mostly councillors, but not all) are also on the website, if anyone wants to email them in support of Lisa, women, and freedom of belief and expression.

There's an informal meeting of the Panel on the 27th October so messages sent before then will be really valuable.

It's been a split committee on a couple of key issues, interestingly.

StillWeRise · 07/10/2021 09:49

@PermanentTemporary

I can't stand Stonewall in its current incarnation but must mention that they actually do seem to fund, or certainly manage referrals to, a specialist trans refuge in London. Which is fantastic and just the work they should be doing.
that's interesting, can you tell us more? and yes, why aren't they telling us about this?
Skade · 07/10/2021 09:40

I'm sorry to hear Lisa say she's facing the Police and Crime Panel of Surrey Police because she's had 37 official complaints and death threats made against her. (The Police and Crime Panel effectively hold a PCC to account) I hope she stands firm and does not bow to pressure.

RainbowCrossing · 07/10/2021 09:25

@LizzieSiddal

*Who
Why works too...
SpindleWhirl · 07/10/2021 09:04

Maybe they're going to keep arresting her for non-crime hate incidents.

Jaysmith71 · 07/10/2021 08:49

We have begun work on an action group to lobby for her removal...

She's elected.

Want to stand against her? Go ahead. Make my day.

FemaleAndLearning · 07/10/2021 08:38

Wow, they really are the thought and belief police. It is so embarrassing.
I too voted for a Conservative Police Commissioner first time I've ever voted Conservative, but really couldn't trust Labour to defend women.

andyoldlabour · 07/10/2021 08:10

What a disgusting situation, trying to have an elected person removed for having totally reasonable views.
How far down the rabbit hole of madness have we gone?

GingerAndTheBiscuits · 07/10/2021 07:51

@PermanentTemporary

I'm just a bit mystified that Stonewall don't talk about that work more.
Presumably because third spaces aren’t validating enough.
PermanentTemporary · 07/10/2021 07:46

I'm just a bit mystified that Stonewall don't talk about that work more.