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NHS ‘gaslighting patients’ on female only wards

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IsitM · 05/10/2021 22:18

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/05/nhs-gaslighting-patients-trans-women-female-only-wards-nurse/

Whistle-blower says official policy documents compare patients who ask for single-sex spaces to racists and label them 'transphobes'

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somethinginoffensive · 05/10/2021 22:52

When did they take female? That refers to anatomy not identity.

I'm sorry to tell you but you've been conned if you think the word woman refers to an identity that can genuinely be claimed by men or women.

Along with woman men use female, mother, daughter, sister, girl etc etc to refer to men and boys who say they are women.

It's why the line has to be drawn at the word woman, give that up and you give up all the words to describe women and girls.

Melroses · 05/10/2021 22:48

It only seems to be on Twitter, but you don't need to be signed in afaik.

Dr Sara Dahlen is also on Public Meeting 1 on here:

childrenandwomenfirst.org/public-meetings

ArabellaScott · 05/10/2021 22:46

in one mental health trust, a male-born patient who identified as a woman had sexually assaulted patients on a female-only ward on two separate admissions, despite staff raising concerns.

This is abhorrent. Unbelievable. But it never happens and never would or even could happen, right?

Anotheruser02 · 05/10/2021 22:36

@Ereshkigalangcleg

https://twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1445286919919783939

Link to meeting Melrose linked thread about. Dr Sinead starts at 35 minutes in. It's a moving and enraging speech.

Is it anywhere else? I can't use twitter.
OldCrone · 05/10/2021 22:36

Was it an 'archive..is' link OP? We can't post those any more but we can post other archive links. No idea why. (I had to add an extra dot to that partial url to get through their filter).

Anotheruser02 · 05/10/2021 22:34

In what the charity describes as a “best-practice guide” produced by the trust, it advises: “If a female (who was once male and has a past history of sexual assaults on women) needed admission to a female ward then she should be treated as any other patient and a thorough risk assessment be carried out”.

When did they take female? That refers to anatomy not identity.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/10/2021 22:32

But the whole event is great. Recommend watching it all.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/10/2021 22:31

twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1445286919919783939

Link to meeting Melrose linked thread about. Dr Sinead starts at 35 minutes in. It's a moving and enraging speech.

IsitM · 05/10/2021 22:28

I posted that archive link yet Mumsnet are ‘having a look’ at it!

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Melroses · 05/10/2021 22:28

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4366821-Children-and-Women-First-at-the-Conference-live

This is from the Children and Women First event this morning.

Anotheruser02 · 05/10/2021 22:27

How can someone simultaneously see women as human beings and be on board with this shit? Is stage one of the mission officially complete now? dehumanise women and take away their agency.

OldCrone · 05/10/2021 22:26

Archive link.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20211005210835/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/05/nhs-gaslighting-patients-trans-women-female-only-wards-nurse/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20211005210835/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/05/nhs-gaslighting-patients-trans-women-female-only-wards-nurse/

Staff who raise safeguarding concerns may be threatened with disciplinary action or even criminal charges, according to Dr Helyar who warned that the NHS is influenced by controversial LGBT charity Stonewall.

She identified a number of documents which, she says, equated female patients questioning the policies with racists and a policy from Greater Glasgow and Clyde which tells nurses to “re-iterate that the ward is indeed female only and that there are no men present”.

"This is the NHS gaslighting women patients,” she said. “In other policies, women patients who ask for wards to be single-sex are described variously as transphobic service users, offenders, perpetrators or those who should be given trans education sessions to improve their attitudes.”

IsitM · 05/10/2021 22:20

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KittenKong · 05/10/2021 22:19

Every single person responsible for creating these rules - and those who enthusiastically enforced them - needs sacking.

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