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Gender fluid confusion

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Mudday · 05/10/2021 03:51

I've recently been told that I have to refer to an openly seriously 'gender fluid' person I'm meeting soon, as 'they or them'. I find this incredibly difficult simply because it confuses the hell out of my love of language, the myriad psychological implications of 'objective plural', and respect for an individual human being. Not to mention the fact that all of us, regardless of sex, are to an extent a gender fluid mix of male and female seeing as our flaming parents/creators were. I am also confused by the fact that people like JK Rowling are getting terrible hassle for defending female apparently 'binary-restricted' identity. What is going on? Everyone has the right to own their own identity, but never at the expense of another's.

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Mudday · 05/10/2021 04:34

I will always be kind Gerbil, and I respect that you care for the misunderstood person here. Your friends are lucky to have you. (Don't for a moment think I want to be one btw)...

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NiceGerbil · 05/10/2021 04:25

Well you don't need to go then.

It's not a meeting like you said in OP.

Best if it's friends etc. Then make excuses rather than make host etc uncomfy.

Host has told you how to address. Really terrible manners to do anything else.

Choices.

Make excuses don't go.
Go and be pleasant and don't be an arsehole.

Simple.

' I will ask 'them' why the fear of a singular word should affect their identity enough to dilute it'.

Why the fuck would you do that?

To make them feel really uncomfy?
Fuck the host off?

To make some kind of finickity linguistics point? To their face?? At a social gathering!!!

Bloody hell.

Go play nice
Don't go

Don't go and be a complete bastard to someone you have been invited along for s nice evening...

Seriously.

You will look like a nasty petty sod. And any friends of yours there will, I imagine. Not be friends any more.

Mudday · 05/10/2021 04:11

It's a small social occasion, not work related at all. I will ask 'them' why the fear of a singular word should affect their identity enough to dilute it. Generic social labels are a very different matter.

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NiceGerbil · 05/10/2021 04:11

'Not to mention the fact that all of us, regardless of sex, are to an extent a gender fluid mix of male and female seeing as our flaming parents/creators were'.

Creators?
How do you mean? Don't understand.

Gender fluid mix of male and female is conflating two different things.

In short.
Male - cock sperm
Female - ovaries cunt baby

That's the definition forever and applies to all mammals. And loads of other animals etc.

I mean. It's a total basic fundamental. This oh what if a female can't get pregnant eh????!!! I mean ignore that. It's so... Not understanding some really basic everyday concepts about well. I mean fuck biologists etc right? Yes you can ignore that.

Gender has at least 3 meanings in common use.

When it comes to transgender, gender identity refers to a feeling inside about... Well not entirely sure. Suffice to say. Lots of people don't have it. Lots of people don't get it because it's never properly defined.

So no one is a gender fluid mix of sexes.

You're overthinking.

If the meeting is important. Just bite the bullet and use they/ them. Not a big deal.

NiceGerbil · 05/10/2021 04:02

Why do you see it as disrespectful to use they/ them?

Don't you say things like. Someone from the bank called, can you call them back..?

Hmm I asked for wine not here yet.
Why not give them a wave and ask them what's happened to it?

NiceGerbil · 05/10/2021 04:00

What is the meeting?

Work related?
Something else?

The context is important.

Fwiw it's been the norm in my industry to use them/ they frequently when sex is not known. Or indicating would be not ideal. Esp in presentations.

I mean even in general.

Who is doing that?
(Person you don't know with name you can't guess sex).
Oh great can you let them know I need it by Monday.

Easy peasy.

I am defaulting to them a lot these days as it's just easier. And it doesn't make me go arrgh at the singular/ plural thing.

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