Heads up. Posie on Triggernometry Tomorrow Sun 3rd 7pm

Bit late as I was watching Helen Joyce.

Their reaction to her pointing out that universities have student kink clubs and advice for student sex workers was brilliant.

Is there another thread for this?

Cheers WarriorN!

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Where do we find Helen Joyce and the Baroness?

There's also the baroness interviewing Helen Joyce in 10 mins!

Very good evening of watching! except the kids have to be washed and wrestled to bed during most of it

I'm looking forward to it.
Like many podcast, I find them too laddish to be enjoyable a lot of the time.
But how many other people were offering PP, or any GC voice, a forum at all at that time? None, so credit to them.
And I loved the way that PP pushed back at them.

@Triggerpod Watching back PP's interview with you both has made me want to go and watch some of the previous interviews that were mentioned.

@JoodyBlue

@NecessaryScene I rewatched the links you shared this morning. What really strikes me is she talks as women used to talk, when we were allowed to speak. She reminds me of uni friends in pubs, laughing, being rude, and funny. From a time in our very recent history when women had each others backs. There was real female solidarity and it gave women strength and girls role models

Yes, absolutely this. I wasted an hour or so of my life that I’m not getting back watching part of a documentary on the Spice Girls the other day and it was so stark how radical they were at the time (when I would have been dismissing them with a contemptuous sneer). They were so brave and outspoken. They took the piss out of everyone, especially embodiments of patriarchy like Prince Charles who just couldn’t handle them at all.

And they were faced with the most egregious sexism. Chris Evans literally weighing a post-partum Victoria Beckham on TFI Friday. At the time I suppose we all thought this was just a laugh but now- WTAF?

And you look around at contemporary navel-gazing, miserablist self-obsessed society and wonder what happened to powerful women’s voices. I’m a big fan of PP by the way.

Just watching the first one to see if there's much difference.

If you look at the title of tonight's stream, it does indeed look like the Triggernometry blokes have changed their views since part 1:

Will keep on banging the drum for our daughters

We will @JoodyBlue and as Posie says, we will win. Nothing that is built on sand can last.

Let's just say you're in for a treat tonight

@NutellaEllaElla no I don't think you can say fairer than that. Everybody comes from a place of ignorance the first time they approach a new subject don't they? So the key thing is talking, and sometimes it means disagreeing and arguing. I like push back when I speak too because sometimes it is the only way people get to influence each other. There is nothing worse than a stubborn silence, where you know you can't communicate because there is no engagement. It is so much what is happening now. Someone says something and no-one dare disagree for fear of being impolite. It is dangerous.

I think it's fair enough that they acknowledged that they came from a place of ignorance (exact words), asked her direct questions that helped them clarify their own thoughts and made their minds up from there. You can't say fairer than that can you.

Yeah they were ignorant and rude, which they acknowledged and KJ graciously waved away. I think she quite liked having them to push back against. She definitely didn't come off the worse in that interview, and it was (maybe still is) the most watched episode of their show ever. And since then they have got a LOT better on this topic.

They apologised to her for how they treated her. And said how much she had opened their eyes to what's going on.

To some extent they both acknowledged that they educated themselves after the interview but prompted by how well she stood up to their (ignorant) questioning.

They are way, way more on KJ's wavelength now, so I think it will be a good interview!

Let's get back there Joody. We can go back to that.

@NecessaryScene I rewatched the links you shared this morning. What really strikes me is she talks as women used to talk, when we were allowed to speak. She reminds me of uni friends in pubs, laughing, being rude, and funny. From a time in our very recent history when women had each others backs. There was real female solidarity and it gave women strength and girls role models. I feel so very sad that in the intervening 10 years or so such an insidious and misogynist message has been passed to young people via schools and unis. My generation were entirely accepting of, and warm and friendly towards transgender people when we were allowed to accept that women were women and transgender people were transgender.

She really doesn't hold back Thanks for posting original interview.

Thanks for that last share Necessary, that was one I missed.

Looking forward to the reunion tonight.

Might Willoughby reveal this mystery cervix they possess on a subsequent Triggernometry interview?