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UK parliament LBGT booklet

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HDDD · 01/10/2021 16:47

Just got it by email.
Great, nice resource to celebrate LGBT history month.
Until we get to

  1. Trans
Describes people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.

ASSIGNED, again!

and

  1. Gender identity
Everyone has a gender identity. This is the gender that someone feels they are. This may be male, female or something else (see non-binary), which may or may not correspond to the sex assigned at birth.

I don't have a sodding gender identity.

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NecessaryScene · 01/10/2021 18:47

Thanks for the link, but is there a written version somewhere (or something that covers the same ground in writing)

I don't think there's a direct transcript of that talk, but here are two related pieces by Rebecca.

First a magazine article, then something much bigger.

Gender is not a spectrum
Sex and Gender: a beginner's guide

Imnobody4 · 01/10/2021 18:36

It's a dog's breakfast. I thought homosexual was banned, it's not in the glossary but creeps in under Gay. It's produced by learning.parliament.uk/en/ and needs feedback, the idea that everyone has a gender identity is simply untrue.

Lesbian - Women who are attracted to women.
Gay - Usually used in reference to men who are attracted to men but also
applicable to homosexual women or non-binary people.
Bisexual - People who are attracted to more than one gender.
Trans - Describes people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit
comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth. Trans includes
a range of gender identities, including transgender, non-binary or
gender-queer.
Straight/heterosexual - Attracted to people who are a different gender; men to women or women to women

ComprehensiveTea · 01/10/2021 18:36

@NecessaryScene

Here's a presentation that helped me when I was getting into this stuff, and I suspect many others.

5 years old now, apparently. Doesn't time fly when you're having fun? Hmm

Rebecca Reilly Cooper has a long hard look at documents like the one described in the OP and tries to figure out what they mean.

Thanks for the link, but is there a written version somewhere (or something that covers the same ground in writing). I can read a lot faster than I can watch a video (and the video is over 1h long).

I figure it's worth asking... :-)

NancyDrawed · 01/10/2021 18:34

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Out of interest, how do they describe gay / lesbian?
Gay Usually used in reference to men who are attracted to men but also applicable to homosexual women or non-binary people.

Lesbian
Women who are attracted to women.

The glossary is a bit lacking

NancyDrawed · 01/10/2021 18:30

As she grew up, Christine realised that she was transgender. She had
always known she was female

Surely for accuracy, this should read 'she had always felt she was female' or 'she had always believed she should have been born female' ?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/10/2021 18:14

Out of interest, how do they describe gay / lesbian?

InspiralCoalescenceRingdown · 01/10/2021 17:59

@NecessaryScene

*Everyone has a gender identity. This is the gender that someone feels they are.*

They skipped a definition of "gender". Do they mean "sex"?

So many of these things will provide a glossary with no definition of gender, which seems a bit pointless to me.
NecessaryScene · 01/10/2021 17:58

Here's a presentation that helped me when I was getting into this stuff, and I suspect many others.

5 years old now, apparently. Doesn't time fly when you're having fun? Hmm

Rebecca Reilly Cooper has a long hard look at documents like the one described in the OP and tries to figure out what they mean.

TheMarzipanDildo · 01/10/2021 17:49

*off

TheMarzipanDildo · 01/10/2021 17:49

I also don’t have a gender identity, they can feck right of with that one.

Fitt · 01/10/2021 17:40

Some really unpleasant people in there.

Jaysmith71 · 01/10/2021 17:40

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BreatheAndFocus · 01/10/2021 17:34

Interestingly, that’s a common confusion: muddling up knowing your sex with having a gender identity. I saw someone on Twitter explain trans that way, but what they’re not getting is the two things aren’t the same.

I know I’m a woman but that doesn’t mean I have a gender identity. I’m Me in a female body, and that’s how I know I’m a woman. I don’t have a gender identity because why on Earth would I judge myself by regressive stereotypes?? Why would anyone want to?

And yes, the assigned at birth thing for sex is annoying, and also insulting to the tiny number of people with DSDs who sometimes are assigned a sex. It’s appropriation of that language and I detest it.

NecessaryScene · 01/10/2021 17:29

Everyone has a gender identity. This is the gender that someone feels
they are.

They skipped a definition of "gender". Do they mean "sex"?

Whatsnewpussyhat · 01/10/2021 17:20

So male and female have magically become 'genders' as well as man or woman?

And we ALL have gender identity?

How the fuckety fuck can you 'feel' a gender when gender is nothing but sex role stereotypes.

Gender is not sex!!!!!!

HipTightOnions · 01/10/2021 16:53

2. Gender identity
Everyone has a gender identity. This is the gender that someone feels
they are. This may be male, female or something else (see non-binary),
which may or may not correspond to the sex assigned at birth.

Let me guess: there’s no definition of “gender”, “male” or “female”, is there? No explanation of what “feeling a gender” might mean? No explanation of why or how “gender” might “correspond” to sex.

Nah, course not.