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Would you be put off sending your dc to a secondary school...

92 replies

thirdistheonewiththehairychest · 01/10/2021 09:50

...if when you went to the open evening, lots of the teachers had their pronouns displayed on their classroom doors?

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sashagabadon · 04/10/2021 11:00

Yes

toolatetooearly · 04/10/2021 10:57

I just realised that this is a church school. They teach idiotic, dangerous made-up bullshit all day anyway, pronouns just seem like a small addition to that.

prudencepuffin · 04/10/2021 10:46

The 'progressive consensus' is consistently 'transing away the gay', telling lesbians they shouldn't use the word, insisting homosexuals should accept people of the opposite sex in their 'dating pool' and considering ways to counter the 'cotton ceiling' (ie erode the boundaries of women's sexual consent).

Yes, the homophobia bound up in all this winds me up too.

WitchButNotTheFunKind · 04/10/2021 10:22

@HipTightOnions

I do wonder what happens if a male teacher specifies “she/her” pronouns.

Do the children have to call him “miss”? Do the other teachers have to lie to the children that he is a woman (because they will ask)?

I understand the children Debbie Hayton teaches have to refer to Debbie as Miss In class. This article Debbie wrote about their ‘controlled social observations’ is wince making physicsworld.com/a/gender-balance-one-woman-at-a-time/
toolatetooearly · 04/10/2021 09:56

No. The pronoun thing has always seemed like a small, silly distraction.

DanglingMod · 02/10/2021 09:15

I would resign from teaching in a school that mandated this. And I would leave teaching altogether if I couldn't find another school that wasn't peddling this bs.

Evesgarden · 02/10/2021 09:13

God I would have done a massive eye roll and thought 'fuck where am I going to send them now'

LizzieSiddal · 02/10/2021 09:09

I’d have a look around and see if they are as visibly supportive to pupils who are not white, pupils who are disabled, those with additional needs and if they are visibly empowering and protecting girls.

If the answer to all of that is “no, it’s just pronouns” I would not send my child there and I’d send an email to the HT, with the governors CC’d, to explain how disappointed you are that other pupils are not being as visibly supported.

rogdmum · 02/10/2021 08:59

Yes and ignoring all my personal views about pronouns, my gender dysphoric DD hates the prominence of pronouns. It makes her GD worse to be asked what her pronouns are (as it makes it clear she’s not obviously a boy) and the performative nature of displaying pronouns makes her uncomfortable and anxious.

jeaux90 · 02/10/2021 08:57

I would have concern yes. I would have more concerns if I was considering sending my daughter there. If they are into pronouns does it also mean they are ok with boys in girls spaces?

And for full disclosure I have sent my DD12 to an all girls school mainly because of the statistics of sexual abuse against girls in mixed secondary schools AND that I didn't want her being taught any gender wang.

MidsomerMurmurs · 02/10/2021 08:46

@MrsMiddleMother

No - I would be happy to send my child there. I think it shows respect and commitment to people's pronouns.
Yeah I mean I also think that prepositions get nowhere near enough respect these days too.

And has anyone actually published any research that says that lying to children and then pushing them down a path of irreversible medical intervention and lifelong dependency is a bad thing? In the absence of evidence let’s assume everything is just hunky-dory. Hmm

Or alternatively perhaps take the pronouns theatre as a massive red flag and do not send your child there. I wouldn’t.

WishingYouAMerryChristmasToo · 02/10/2021 04:47

@Snoozer11

I know of a maths teacher in Didsbury calling themselves 'Mx' instead of 'Miss'.

I don't even know how you'd pronounce that.

I don’t think it’s a bad idea to get rid of miss and Mrs totally and replace all with Ms though - why are females know by their marital status signaling availability why men aren’t ? Mx though - not heard that one before
SirSamuelVimes · 01/10/2021 22:21

Automatically off the list for me. DH would feel the same. This ideology is dangerous and I will not expose my children to it willingly or knowingly.

reallyisthisallthereis · 01/10/2021 22:18

Yes.

Wouldn't send my child there

Wouldn't work there as a teacher

FemaleAndLearning · 01/10/2021 22:14

Yes.

DdraigGoch · 01/10/2021 21:50

A school which doesn't stem this nonsense is likely to have a lot of needless classroom disruption. It's an open goal for troublemakers.

"Miss! Johnny misgendered me!"

Kittii · 01/10/2021 15:49

It would put me off

yellowgingham · 01/10/2021 15:47

Yes

lazylinguist · 01/10/2021 15:45

Yes

Congressdingo · 01/10/2021 15:38

Aside from all other things which mean I wouldnt consider it, I'd be quite worried about remembering potentially 600+ pronouns for them all staff and students and then when it gets to doubling and tripling pronouns ( probably by now quadrupling them)

Can you imagine any WhatsApp conversations
So the child with red hair who identifies as they/demi/ace who is in the class run by the teacher fae/faer/faeself.
Of course if you dont use the pronouns religiously you will forget and use the boy with red hair in miss Smith's class.

ArabellaScott · 01/10/2021 15:35

@Siepie

No, I’d be happy that schools are becoming much safer places for LGBT+ teens than they were when I was younger

I'm not all that surprised it's a church school, the CofE these days tends to just accept whatever the progressive consensus is without much question.
Yes, the “progressive consensus” definitely involves barring people from working when they marry someone of the same sex, e.g. Jeremy Pemberton. FFS at least google what you’re talking about before you spout such rubbish.

The 'progressive consensus' is consistently 'transing away the gay', telling lesbians they shouldn't use the word, insisting homosexuals should accept people of the opposite sex in their 'dating pool' and considering ways to counter the 'cotton ceiling' (ie erode the boundaries of women's sexual consent).

It is inherently homophobic and damaging in particular to young lesbians.

On another side note, I really hate the word 'spout' used to mean 'say'. It's another dehumanising slur that is so frequently used to describe the views of people someone disagrees with. Try arguing the point, without insulting the person. You may get further in life.

EishetChayil · 01/10/2021 15:34

I wouldn't send my daughter there.

She's going to a faith school. It's the only way of guaranteeing she won't be fed gender nonsense.

ArabellaScott · 01/10/2021 15:32

@MrsMiddleMother

No - I would be happy to send my child there. I think it shows respect and commitment to people's pronouns.
But no respect to women, social cohesion, or reality.

And 'commitment to people's pronouns' is an odd idea. How can you be committed to something that is nebulous and liable to change at any minute? Do you mean 'commitment to honouring people's pronouns'?

Siepie · 01/10/2021 15:16

No, I’d be happy that schools are becoming much safer places for LGBT+ teens than they were when I was younger

I'm not all that surprised it's a church school, the CofE these days tends to just accept whatever the progressive consensus is without much question.
Yes, the “progressive consensus” definitely involves barring people from working when they marry someone of the same sex, e.g. Jeremy Pemberton. FFS at least google what you’re talking about before you spout such rubbish.

DeborahAnnabel · 01/10/2021 15:08

Yes.