Would you be put off sending your dc to a secondary school...

I wouldn't like it, but it in itself would not be enough reason for me to not send a child there. Unless you were very certain your alternative school choice was not going to go down that road, you might find they introduce it in September or a bit later on. Or you might never know as you might not be in the school building again for a long while.

So yes, it would be on the minus list, but I'd check out other things as well.

Pronouns are a name, and identity. "

No, they are not. They're a shortcut used to make language more fluent, for referring to a previously named person (or animal, or object) using various common categories.

Yes. It would pretty much be a hard no to sending dc there.

Like you said earlier nosquit calling you a chair doesn't make you a chair. Calling a boy a girl doesn't magically turn them into a girl. I would use the pronouns someone prefers (although they wouldn't know about it if I was talking about them in the third person) but I won't agree with the fallacy that they have magically changed sex.

What is so bad about calling someone by a pronoun that makes them happy? You wouldn’t call friends by a given name or nickname that makes them unhappy would you?

Pronouns aren't names or titles. They are words we used as substitute for nouns. They are particularly useful when we don't know the name of the person to whom we refer. So how are we supposed to know that someone prefers to be known as "zie/zir"?

"What is so bad about calling someone by a pronoun that makes them happy? You wouldn’t call friends by a given name or nickname that makes them unhappy would you? Pronouns are a name, and identity. "

I understand your point but dd has a classmate that changes their pronouns every few weeks. And carries on all offended if you get it wrong.
At best that is disruptive, attention seeking immaturity. At worst that is a teenager that needs mental health support. What they don't need is "affirmation" for every notion in their head.

You can have all of the hair dyes, face lifts and other cosmetic stuff you like done. It still won't stop old age in its tracks. It's all purely cosmetic, it won't actually make you younger. Aging still remains driven by a number of factors including genetics and lifestyle.

Likewise, you can have all of the hormone treatments and cosmetic surgery you like. You could even have surgery to your genitals to make them look vaguely like the genitals of the opposite sex. Again, cosmetic and won't actually turn you into a member of the opposite sex. It certainly won't make you any happier. And that's before considering the side effects like infertility and incontinence.

What is so bad about calling someone by a pronoun that makes them happy? You wouldn’t call friends by a given name or nickname that makes them unhappy would you? Pronouns are a name, and identity. Calling me a chair wouldn’t suddenly make me one but if I wanted to be one it would make me feel a lot happier. And I’m sorry in my mind it’s not a stupid argument. For the most part it hurts nobody. There are minorities who take advantage but they would find a way without it mark my words. Not using preferred pronouns is just an excuse to not have to actually fully listen to someone to not enter their world and try to empathise.

In an ideal world gender wouldn’t matter, I wish we had that world because to me it doesn’t, but the sad fact is it does. People get judged on certain Things based purely on their gender. I don’t understand at all why people would want to change gender but it’s not my place to do so, it’s my place not to judge and to do my utmost to make them as happy and comfortable as possible in my interactions with them.

And as for the gender dysphoric child - we can’t speak for them. Only they can.

Ahh biology. Please also apply your arguments to eye colour, hair colour, makeup, ability etc etc. Cos ya know, we make changes to what we are biologically given all the time yet nobody bats an eyelid. Yet wipe betide someone wants to change a bit of biology that doesn’t suit others.

Though is your DC a biological girl who is actually a boy or a biological boy who is actually a girl? Your post implied the latter but you called them your DD and implied she.
@Nosquit you seem to be confused. If someone is a "biological girl" then they are actually a girl. If someone is a "biological boy" then they are actually a boy. No amount of medical science can change that.

The poster's daughter clearly is unhappy with womanhood (who can blame her) but knows that she cannot change this. As a result, being constantly reminded of her sex by people going out of their way to demand her pronouns is difficult for her.

Nosquit you are the only person on this thread who keeps referring to ‘what is between peoples legs’ it looks like it’s you who is obsessed with that

*Oppressing not ‘impressing’. I should’ve checked before clicking post.

Absolutely. We are in an area where the vast majority of pupils are from Muslim backgrounds and will not tolerate too much of this, but some secondaries are sneaking it in.

My choice was based on results, location and attitude to reality. This stuff is contagious as shit amongst girls, and yes I have seen it up close. I would absolutely consider home schooling if DD got caught up in it.

Yep. I would definitely be asking questions.

No way would I allow my child unfettered exposure to this

Why on earth would you feel ashamed to be female, just because some women have opinions you don't like? Ridiculous hyperbole.

[quote MidsomerMurmurs]**@Nosquit* “refusing to use correct pronouns”*

The objection is that children might be compelled to use incorrect pronouns, isn’t it?[/quote]
What do you mean by incorrect? If you mean using pronouns that are not correct for the person concerned then yup.
If you mean using pronouns that are dependant by what is between their legs then nope.

I'd wonder what other piffle they taught - especially in biology!

I can only advise that my teen (Y10) finds all the gender woo shit very tedious and self absorbed. She is totally relaxed about people being lesbian, gay or bisexual. Or wearing what they want. The rest just makes her roll her eyes . She went to a Catholic primary and is quite familiar with ideology being imposed as fact. She isn't alone.
If she is typical of younger Gen Z people, the novelty of this has worn thin and is falling out of favour.

And for poster who says their GD chins hates this kind of obvious pronoun showing:

I’m sorry for that. My above comment was not to do with situations like that but to do with the fact that those who don’t like it seem to be anti-trans. It’s difficult isn’t it when the world tries to be understanding as can never get it completely right.
Though is your DC a biological girl who is actually a boy or a biological boy who is actually a girl? Your post implied the latter but you called them your DD and implied she.

In my mind there is NOTHING wrong with using correct pronouns, names, genders, when addressing others. There is no reason why, if a child feels they are trans, that we can’t do this for them because it really will make them feel much happier. It doesn’t mean we can’t also have conversations about why they feel the way they do. About it doesn’t matter what gender/sex you are you can still do anything you want to do so they don’t need to change gender to still be them etc etc etc.

I’d hate it but I suspect it’s crept into most schools so my plan is to be very open with the children about gender ideology and hope they are kind but cynical.

@Nosquit “refusing to use correct pronouns”

The objection is that children might be compelled to use incorrect pronouns, isn’t it?

Oh and MX is pronounced - MIX - thank you.

Ahh people who like to think of themselves and ignore something very simple that they can do to make others more comfortable.

I don’t display my pronouns on anything no.

But frankly if feminism is saying you won’t send a child to a school because of displayed pronouns and refusing to use correct pronouns for people - I’m quite frankly ashamed to be female.