Is the tide turning? Women's rights in the news

Apparently, according to some people, we were actually supposed to be on red alert the whole time to stop the backslide, somehow.

Yet somehow, this exhausting hypervigilance isn't to affect our response to men who catcall or 'accidentally' brush against us and shouldn't sap our emotional and cognitive resources.

Silly me thought the tide was turning when the Met attitude towards rape victims changed and they introduced specialist rape suites.
That was decades ago.

Apparently, according to some people, we were actually supposed to be on red alert the whole time to stop the backslide, somehow.

I do think that the tide is turning!
NOW is the time to speak up, FB, Twitter, real life. ALL of us. NOW.

@CBUK2K2 You're quite pleased to see a woman repeatedly raped in a psychiatric unit because women deserve it?
Good for you. At least now you got what you wanted!

Calling womens response to male violence 'misandry' is a classic example of DARVO.

We may agree with Liz, Kemi and the Baroness, but open debate would not be a bad thing.

I should think that I agree with them on comparatively few issues: the ones where we concur are important to me as are some of the ones where we probably disagree.

Given what's happening to the LGBA, I should think the Conservatives will be as willing to have stacked debates and other deplatforming practices as the other parties. I will be interested if I'm wrong.

We will get more sunlight during the Tory conference. We have come a long way since David TC Davis MP was the only parliamentarian to be openly GC. Stonewall are losing their grip on Conservative policy, and will be mounting a major rear guard action, with a good chance they will overplay their hand again.

Hopefully the contrast between the Labour party cervix script, and the more open mix of views within the Conservatives will be clear. We may agree with Liz, Kemi and the Baroness, but open debate would not be a bad thing.

A lot of posters on this board do worry that the overreach of the TRAs will trigger a massive backlash and that innocent people will be affected. The TRAs are setting gay and lesbian attitudes back a generation.

Agreed that we are in the facilitating set-up for a Thermidorean reaction* and we're in danger of having LGB rights curtailed or even rescinded as part of a general shift towards authoritarianism;

For historians of revolutionary movements, the term Thermidor has come to mean the phase in some revolutions when power slips from the hands of the original revolutionary leadership and a radical regime is replaced by a more conservative regime, sometimes to the point where the political pendulum may swing back towards something resembling a pre-revolutionary state.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermidorian_Reaction

That should read "attitudes towards..."

The TRA's/incels can't easily respond - a tee-shirt with 'Trans-women are Women' or 'Punch a T$EF' is likely to peak more than it gains approval from by a huge margin

You have a very good point here. Not much of what they say could fit on the t shirt or would be snappy enough . Wrong side of history, maybe but the response of "wrong side of biology" would counter it easily.

There is no reason in the world to start demanding respectable feminists now.

That gave me a flashback to when we all wanted to be a disrespectful woman I'm fairly sure that we longing to be disreputable at one point as well.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3378698-Disrespectful-Woman-Posie-P-on-This-Morning

Do to = dont

The fundamental problem, as I see it is that many people, women and men, find the concept of women's rights all just a bit embarrassing and uncomfortable.

No, we do to want to talk about that, yes there are so many more worthy issues, goodness don't women have enough rights, which takes some people to, oh women who want to talk about women's rights are hoarding rights or just, be kind.

The underlying tone is, it's undignified to demand rights for ourselves.

Fuck that.

It's always been this way. There is no reason in the world to start demanding respectable feminists now.

I think tomorrow may be a turning point depending what the results are in the green party leadership vote.

If it goes the way we all hope, and polls begin to show a swell of support for the Greens as a result, the Conservatives may decide to take action before the next election to prevent a loss of support. A bit like they had to offer the referendum to stop people voting UKIP.

I would want to add that I don't think the TRA/incel supporters will, for the most part, suddenly switch to the GC/women-and-children's right view.

More likely, they'll just slip away, drop out, disengage from issuing death-and-rape threats, encouraging Cancel Culture, promoting anti-science ideology...deleting past posts and trying to erase any association with the TRA/incel cause.

Social media, particularly Twitter, just isn't real life.

Yet on Twitter, 24 months ago I would have said that the TRA's could be fairly confident of being able to outnumber those trying to make a GC comment or response.

Now, thanks mostly to over-enthusiastic block lists, the TRA's don't even get a look-in most of the time. And their number, even on threads by the likes of The-Scottish-Man-Terrified-Of-Ribbons seem to be plummeting.

So the TL's of say Ed 'Check his Hard-drive' Davey and David 'Please Gift Me A GCE-level Biology Textbook For Xmas' Lammy are dominated by GC women and men, routinely ripping such politicians apart in a very angry manner.

That though is social media. Not Real Life.

The Peaked though have though made their impact in The Real World. Through the medium of stickers, the slate-art, the posters, ribbons, tee-shirts and badges. I saw the first reference to a town centre stall being established just this week.

The TRA's/incels can't easily respond - a tee-shirt with 'Trans-women are Women' or 'Punch a T$EF' is likely to peak more than it gains approval from by a huge margin.

I don't think the tide has turned, but the organisation and the momentum behind the fightback is definitely increasing, in my perception.

Helen Joyce's Trans has helped enormously in recent months. The TRA's/incels just don't have anything to match it. Shon Faye, who had managed peak ten-of-thousands, perhaps hundreds-of-thousands with her 'enjoy your erasure' comment, needed to pay off the debt from causing so much damage to the gender-ideology cause - though I doubt they even recognise the debt exists. Regardless though they delivered...a mess, and one that is unlikely to convince the undecided to back the TRA/incel cause. Trans though does precisely the opposite of The Transgender Issue and Joyce expertly crafted it, not to preach, but to encourage the reader to do their own research and reach their own conclusions.

The TRA's/incels depend on the bigotry of their supporters, and their unwillingness to even consider an opposing view. #nodebate was intended to encourage bigotry, but now they are trapped in a reality where their views are absolutely understood, and picked-apart adroitly by an increasingly-knowledgeable campaign of organised opposition.

I think it is turning. The decision by the IK sports council was reported on by Sky sports and that will get attention. Although the reporter did mention cis women and was a bit tongue tied with that. How, I think that is a good thing as I think most men watching that would wonder what a cis woman is bringing in a bit more sunlight.

Some good news today about sports, and there seems to be more people speaking out and saying this madness has to end. For the first time I can see a future where people struggle to believe things ever went this far.

How Index on Censorship has treated Maya Forstater's right to reply to their accusation of criminal hate speech:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4363070-Maya-Forstater-and-How-Index-on-Censorship-Handled-Her-Right-of-Reply-to-Their-Accusation-of-Criminal-Hate-Speech

That's Index on Censorship attacking and undermining a woman like this.

I think we could do with a Panorama type expose of the policies around women’s single sex facilities, girl guides, swim England etc Stonewall capture in the NHS etc. the true level of TRA hate etc.

Yes!!

*there’s NO turning back for them now.