Page 8 | Women must resist arrest by any male police officer and demand the presence of a policewoman

Turquoise11 · 2021-09-30T09:11:33+00:00

I've never posted on mumsnet before but I'm compelled to after reading reports of the kidnap, rape and murder of Sarah Everard. Any woman who finds herself in a situation where she faces arrest by a male police officer must resist and obstruct that arrest at all costs. She must not face charges for doing either, since it is potentially dangerous for a woman to be taken away by a male police officer. We can no longer trust the police. Rather, a woman must be able to demand that a policewoman be present before any arrest takes place. We can no longer assume that there is any rigour in the recruitment process involving male police officers. Do you think I am being fair? After what happened to Sarah Everard, I think that resisting arrest and insisting a woman be present is essential to women's safety. See below for some recent cases involving the police. Detective Inspector Neil Corbel was charged with 19 counts of voyeurism in the Greater London, Manchester and Brighton areas. Wayne Couzens. Deniz Jaffer and Jamie Lewis taking unofficial pictures of Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman after they were stabbed to death. I’m sure there are more incidents where male police officers hold women in contempt and would harm them if they could.

AwaAnBileYerHeid · 30/09/2021 13:04

@pumperthepumper I didn't say that there was nothing he could have done differently. Did I? I said that I don't care that he was heavy handed and that she shouldn't have been assaulting a police officer and that she got kicked because of her actions.

FrancescaContini · 30/09/2021 13:03

[quote AwaAnBileYerHeid]@pumperthepumper and if these types of parents raised their children to higher standards they wouldn't be assaulting police officers.[/quote]
Jeeeez. One way to derail a really serious thread with a trivial comment.

Pumperthepumper · 30/09/2021 13:03

The person I feel for is the officer who was trying to do his job and was pounced on by another party who could easily, in a split second, have went from what she was doing, hitting and pulling, to a kick to the officers head

Or his stomach?

AwaAnBileYerHeid · 30/09/2021 13:02

@yourhairiswinterfire

Actions have consequences.

The consequences should have been the grown man restraining the 15 year old girl and arresting her, not booting her in the stomach.

Again, I really don't care what happens to people of this ilk, people that think it's ok to assault police officers. I really don't care. Perhaps the police and society in general need to be a bit more heavy handed with these scumbags.

There seems to be a correlation in society where antisocial behaviour has increased while consequences and robust punishments have decreased.

The person I feel for is the officer who was trying to do his job and was pounced on by another party who could easily, in a split second, have went from what she was doing, hitting and pulling, to a kick to the officers head.

TheElementsSong · 30/09/2021 13:01

@HermioneWeasley

The police are not under funded. They have the resources to dance at every pride parade and pet people dressed in puppy costumes, they have the resources to ask people on social media to get in touch if they’ve been offended by anything as it might be a hate crime, they have the resources to send 2 officer to a different county on an overnight stay to interview a mum about her views, they have the resources to turn up at workplaces to “check your thinking”.

They just don’t care about women

THIS too! 👆🏼

HermioneWeasley · 30/09/2021 12:59

The police are not under funded. They have the resources to dance at every pride parade and pet people dressed in puppy costumes, they have the resources to ask people on social media to get in touch if they’ve been offended by anything as it might be a hate crime, they have the resources to send 2 officer to a different county on an overnight stay to interview a mum about her views, they have the resources to turn up at workplaces to “check your thinking”.

They just don’t care about women

Pumperthepumper · 30/09/2021 12:56

[quote AwaAnBileYerHeid]@pumperthepumper and if these types of parents raised their children to higher standards they wouldn't be assaulting police officers.[/quote]
So, just so we’re clear, you really think there’s nothing that police officer could have done differently here?

GrandmaMazur · 30/09/2021 12:54

@LolaLouLou

The warning signs were all there: www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/sarah-everard-murder-killer-wayne-couzens-could-have-been-stopped-1225004/amp

FGS his nicknames in a previous police role was "the rapist". The solution presented here, is once again, women change their behaviour to protect themselves against male violence.

I dont think that is the solution. These police must take responsibility and stop allowing predatory men to enter and remain in their workforce.

Definitely this. The vetting process has to improve. Any officer charged with sexual offences of any kind should be kicked out. Maybe they should spot check officers’ hard drives for evidence of an interest in violent pornography or visits to prostitutes

AwaAnBileYerHeid · 30/09/2021 12:54

@pumperthepumper and if these types of parents raised their children to higher standards they wouldn't be assaulting police officers.

yourhairiswinterfire · 30/09/2021 12:50

Actions have consequences.

The consequences should have been the grown man restraining the 15 year old girl and arresting her, not booting her in the stomach.

acatcalledjohn · 30/09/2021 12:50

@Thurlow

I understand why people are saying this. There have been repeated and gross failings within the police as regards their vetting and their internal complaints policies and it needs reviewing now. No one is going to deny this.

However the quick fix is not to say no woman can be arrested by a solo male police officer. There are not enough police officers to work in pairs, there are not enough female police officers to attend all crimes involving lone females.

It’s not a workable solution.

That's just tough. Any lone officer trying to arrest me will be resisted.

It's not women's fault that the police are underfunded, nor that some men are predators. As such, we should resist arrest by a lone officer.

Make it a general political & societal problem to fix.

Imatwinmum · 30/09/2021 12:49

Even a marked police car wouldn’t make me feel safer. Only an additional female officer would. It’s like seeing a female doctor. You are vulnerable.

Pumperthepumper · 30/09/2021 12:47

[quote AwaAnBileYerHeid]@Pumperthepumper I really don't care. If she wasn't breaking the law and assaulting a police officer then it wouldn't have happened. Actions have consequences.[/quote]
Or, if we held our police to higher standards, they wouldn’t do flying kicks towards stomachs of children.

doublemonkey · 30/09/2021 12:45

@AndNothingButTheTruth

Parm Sandhu - former Met police chief superintendent has just said on sky that her advice to women is not to get into an unmarked with a male officer and that all people (whether prisoners or not) should only be transported in a marked police car. She said the officer should call for a marked car

This information needs to be spread far and wide.

AwaAnBileYerHeid · 30/09/2021 12:43

@Pumperthepumper I really don't care. If she wasn't breaking the law and assaulting a police officer then it wouldn't have happened. Actions have consequences.

LolaLouLou · 30/09/2021 12:43

The warning signs were all there:
www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/sarah-everard-murder-killer-wayne-couzens-could-have-been-stopped-1225004/amp

FGS his nicknames in a previous police role was "the rapist". The solution presented here, is once again, women change their behaviour to protect themselves against male violence.

I dont think that is the solution. These police must take responsibility and stop allowing predatory men to enter and remain in their workforce.

Pumperthepumper · 30/09/2021 12:41

@AwaAnBileYerHeid

Re the video of the 15 year old. I have every sympathy for Sarah Everard. However I have absolutely no sympathy for this girl who got kicked. She was actually assaulting a police officer who doing his job. No one except scum would think it acceptable to do this to a police officer. I don't care if I get slammed for this.

No? You don’t think the flying kick to the stomach was even a tad heavy handed?

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Turquoise11 · 30/09/2021 12:38

I have told my daughters not to accept arrest by a sole officer. I will not do so myself. Frankly I don't ever expect any of us to do anything to merit arrest and that's the point. Neither did Sarah.
After this case I would hope any lone male policeman would detain at the scene and request officers attend before trying to move a lone female. They must know how terrifying this is.
So we make a fuss, we make a noise, we refuse to move, we attract attention and we support other lone women we see in this position. Because if the police are on the level then it's no issue to get somebody else, a marked car etc. What's the worse that can happen? Resisting arrest in these circumstances or what happened to Sarah. Women need to be heard, be loud,make your presence felt. That's the way to safety in an unsafe world.

THIS

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AndNothingButTheTruth · 30/09/2021 12:36

Parm Sandhu - former Met police chief superintendent has just said on sky that her advice to women is not to get into an unmarked with a male officer and that all people (whether prisoners or not) should only be transported in a marked police car. She said the officer should call for a marked car

BordelDeMerde · 30/09/2021 12:33

I live in France and I don't think I've ever seen a lone police officer here, they're always in pairs. Obviously that doesn't mean some police don't do bad things, still, but it's a start at least.

SirChenjins · 30/09/2021 12:33

Just told my daughter the same - resist arrest or being taken for questioning by a lone male officer.

AwaAnBileYerHeid · 30/09/2021 12:32

Re the video of the 15 year old. I have every sympathy for Sarah Everard. However I have absolutely no sympathy for this girl who got kicked. She was actually assaulting a police officer who doing his job. No one except scum would think it acceptable to do this to a police officer. I don't care if I get slammed for this.

Northernlurker · 30/09/2021 12:29

I have told my daughters not to accept arrest by a sole officer. I will not do so myself. Frankly I don't ever expect any of us to do anything to merit arrest and that's the point. Neither did Sarah.
After this case I would hope any lone male policeman would detain at the scene and request officers attend before trying to move a lone female. They must know how terrifying this is.
So we make a fuss, we make a noise, we refuse to move, we attract attention and we support other lone women we see in this position. Because if the police are on the level then it's no issue to get somebody else, a marked car etc. What's the worse that can happen? Resisting arrest in these circumstances or what happened to Sarah. Women need to be heard, be loud,make your presence felt. That's the way to safety in an unsafe world.

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Turquoise11 · 30/09/2021 12:29

Pasted from an article in the Telegraph by Caroline Criado-Perez

The framing of Couzens as an isolated bad egg is also hard to swallow. Between 2019 and 2020, 160 officers in the Met alone have been accused of sexual assault, sexual harassment and other forms of sexual misconduct. Only four people have been either “suspended or restricted” as a result. A Freedom of Information request earlier this month found that in the four years to 2020, more than half of Met officers found guilty of sexual misconduct have kept their jobs. This month, another Met officer has been in court charged with 19 voyeurism offences.

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 30/09/2021 12:26

I don't want to make life harder for the majority of the honest rank and file, but the police as a whole need to get their house in order.

tbh, retaining the police officers who had had questionable conversations about women via their WhatsApp was not a good look. According to previous threads, members of the police force are fully represented amongst those who practice intimate partner violence.

Blue-sky again. What would happen to the culture if a large number of women were trained and employed as chaperones?