Women must resist arrest by any male police officer and demand the presence of a policewoman

"I'm not sure why you've brought up Vanessa George in this context but here we go - Vanessa George was a very rare case. "

That's exactly why I've brought up Vanessa George!
She wasn't that rare in that nursery workers have time and again felt uncomfortable but have not reported. And sorry, but yes many certainly did shrug their shoulders and try to claim it was just one bad apple. Luckily, the authorities felt differently.

I entirely agree with you that procedure needs to be tightened up and a cultural change must be made, as I stated before.

I do not agree with the Op's blanket statements about women resisting arrest without consequence.

Indeed he should have been sacked after indecent exposure. It is crazy that he wasn’t.

I have been deliberately avoiding the news for the past few days because I can't stand to listen to shit like this.

My thoughts are with Sarah's family. The police have to sort themselves out. I hope any of his colleagues that used that term without taking steps to protect women are reflecting on their shortcomings.

Muting the thread now.

I can't really formulate a coherent response on this because of the rage.

Up to police to give us solid reasons to fucking trust them. Until then - no.

But I think also, in the meantime, a massive tightening on police procedure. Any sniff of any wrongdoing, any violent porn, driving offences, drunk and disorderly, anything, and you’re out. Leaving equipment and warrant passes in your locker when not on duty. Logging and tracking, hour-by-hour check ins. There’s loads that could change now.

I am not sure how unless there is a huge investment in the police that it would be possible to have paired patrols and not single officer on their own.
You answer your own question: huge investment in the police. What's actually happened is massive cuts.

I am not sure how unless there is a huge investment in the police that it would be possible to have paired patrols and not single officer on their own. I am not sure that resisting arrest should be encouraged as a course of action, clearly for the protection of others there may be times when a female would need to be arrested by a lone officer. I think there needs to be greater vetting of officers and improved CCTV cameras which are monitored throughout the UK. I believe that the majority of police officers joined to be force for good - this is an awful, tragic case and no doubt more information on the failing that allowed this to happen will come to light I hope in the very near future so actions can be taken

What change do you see coming to the Met police force? How rare is police abuse, do you think?

I screenshot this advice today from Making HerStory - it is quite helpful and practical I think. Pretty awful that it has come to this though.

The majority of officers are proud to serve their communities and find the actions of these few as disgusting and undermining of the professionalism of the force.
This killer's colleagues jokingly called him 'the Rapist'. They seem to have protected his actions in indecently exposing himself to women.

He was allowed to keep his warrant card and cuffs – hell, he was allowed to keep being a cop, full stop –after being accused of indecent exposure.
He had his firearm licence revoked (must have been a reason) but then returned.

It's not just 'these few'. The police (the Met anyway) is rotten through and through, from the 'hilarious' Rapist lot upwards. You'll have to excuse me, I don't exactly feel like fucking clapping for them at the moment.

"Would those good officers shop each other for offending? Or for say, being aggressive in a pub while being off duty?"

I'd like to think so and I believe they're encouraged to report. However my experience is of Early Years, where the colleagues of Vanessa George felt uncomfortable, but did nothing.

That's what I mean about changing the culture.

Remember, this metropolitan police officer’s metropolitan police officer colleagues called him ‘the rapist’ because of his attitude towards women. Who do we trust?

wrt the question upthread about how many men are discussing solutions to male VAWG, I've run a completely unscientific site search of pistoheads:

site:pistonheads.com/gassing/ wayne couzens

I had 2 returns from earlier this year. Neither were from today or more recently than June.

Datalounge gave 1 return.

@Turquoise11
Excellent point. What do men have to say? Do any men wish to weigh in?

I don't wish to "weigh in," just to say that I am reading and thinking about this, and hopefully I am not alone as a man doing that.

Also I'd like to ask again the question: what can I do that I am not already doing, which is:
-Be conscious of the problem, and try to avoid any behaviours that could be perceived as threatening
-Discuss the problem with my own children (both M and F)
-Speak against any inappropriate remarks and behaviours by other men wherever possible
-Speak up supportively when women raising issues are not being heard
-Donate to charities that are doing something about it with specialised resources

Please, I don't want any praise or thanks for writing this, or for doing these few things. Today's news, and other recent news about other women, are just a reminder that trying to do what's in the list has been nowhere near enough.

What I am asking for instead is more suggestions from women for actions that individual men can take in order to stop this sort of horror from recurring.

Of the 160,000 police officers you have picked out a few incidents of malpractice by sexually deviant officers or psychopaths.
Whilst all the cases in the thread are extremely abhorrent and upsetting it is not the norm that officers behave in this manner towards women or the general public.
The majority of officers are proud to serve their communities and find the actions of these few as disgusting and undermining of the professionalism of the force.
Anyone male or female has the right to question Authority but the need to have a female officer present upon arrest is quite frankly impossible and unnecessary.

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Normally I'd agree with you but I'm just so fucking jaded, I just know it wouldn't work.
After a murder, estate and letting agents stop letting women go to isolated viewing alone, but men still kill women.
After a murder, there's a huge campaign to remind women not to get into unlicensed cabs, but men still kill women.
We get rape alarms, cctv, well lit areas, licenced cabs, text people when we get home, don't put ourselves in risky situations with strangers, leave our abusers, placate our abusers, walk in pairs whenever possible, don't walk alone when it's dark, don't exercise outside when it's dark, or walk the dog at night, carry our keys as weapons, hide our valuables, wear shoes that let us walk confidently, pretend to be on the phone to defer a potential attacker and still men kill women. You can put any fucking deterrent or obstacle in their way but it won't bring one single murdered woman back to life and it won't stop one single one of those cunts from hurting another woman in the future.

Whether you think the suggestions in this thread are good ideas or not/workable or not - I wonder how many men are coming up with solutions today? I wonder how many men are pondering male violence and women’s safety during their coffee break. We should compare that figure against how many women are actually putting across ideas about how to solve male violence against women and girls.

We should not be talking about NAMALT, clearly many are and we are right to be concerned.

I personally know 6 police officers quite well. Two are women.

All are calm, good at their jobs and absolutely trustworthy. They've been doing the job for a long time. I think they are representative of the vast majority of police officers.

They are far more likely to be attacked themselves and I know for certain that 4 of them have been more than once. Only a month or two ago, one of the women officers turned up at my house with two black eyes, having had some drunken fool punch her in the face.

Their attackers were all violent men, of course. That's a separate issue that really needs addressing.
If we say "Women can resist arrest!", criminals will take advantage.

Improve the police force, weed out the bad ones, change the culture - all good.
But what happened to "No sacred castes"?