Women must resist arrest by any male police officer and demand the presence of a policewoman

He was also accused of indecent exposure several times, and no one in The Met thought that was a problem?

They knew he was accused of indecent exposure - if you read the account of what happened it wasn't a situation that possibly could have been accidental or a misunderstanding. It was a deliberate act. That was entirely swept under the carpet instead of being recognised by the Met police as an alarming action for a serving police officer.

That's not a red flag, or something that only hindsight could recognise.

The grammar in that post was hideous but hopefully my meaning came across.

His nickname at work with his met police colleagues was The Rapist. That’s not a red flag.

Yes it is. It is the definition of a red flag:

1. A warning signal.
2. Something that demands attention or provokes an irritated reaction.
3. A cue, warning, or alert; a sign or signal that something is wrong.

A nickname like that is a big warning sign that he’s a violent man, capable of violence against women and as such demands attention....

You know it is easy in hindsight to see red flags, but not so easy at the time.

You don't think personality traits that lead to one being nicknamed 'The Rapist' are red flags that are easy to see?

Until we recognise misogyny as a hate crime, and society respects women as they ought, these little "minor indiscretions" would be seen for what they are - flags and indicators of women hating men who can (and most likely will) get progressively more violent.

I am sorry, but this is insane. Yes there are a very low number of incidents involving police officers, yes I think there needs to be more psychological testing and supervision of police officers

Psychological testing? Wayne Couzens was nicknamed 'The Rapist' amongst his own colleagues. In the police.

I don't think a lack of 'psychological testing' is the fucking issue here.

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He could have been stopped, and he wasn’t.

You know it is easy in hindsight to see red flags, but not so easy at the time. While I agree the police do need an overhaul, I don’t agree with blaming the police for what WC did. It’s no different from going on about the “red flags” of an abusive partner and then saying the woman or her family could have stopped him killing her, but didn’t. It is spreading blame around when the blame should be 100% on the murderer.[/quote]
His nickname at work with his met police colleagues was The Rapist. That’s not a red flag. Nobody needed hindsight. The are absolutely to blame, they could and should have stopped him.

@Pumperthepumper
He could have been stopped, and he wasn’t.

You know it is easy in hindsight to see red flags, but not so easy at the time. While I agree the police do need an overhaul, I don’t agree with blaming the police for what WC did. It’s no different from going on about the “red flags” of an abusive partner and then saying the woman or her family could have stopped him killing her, but didn’t. It is spreading blame around when the blame should be 100% on the murderer.

I think we need to know what police issue bodycams look like in our area and how to tell if they're running or not. And it's always good to have 999 on speed dial!

Saying most police officers are trustworthy doesn't help at all, though. We want to be confident and able to trust, not hope for the best and rely on luck. It's just a variant of "Not All Men" isn't it?

Would you jump if you were told "Most parachutes open,"?

You’re even a thousand times more likely to be killed by the Covid vaccine^, than by the U.K. police, yet say you don’t trust the vaccine company or the JCVI and you’re a mad anti-vaxxer.

Killed, yes. Assualted? Attacked? Belittled? Disbelieved? No.

For those who are a bit hard of thinking, I was specifically referring to/illustrating my point with what has already actually happened to Sarah Everard.
I CBA spelling it out any further though. Jesus wept.

WC is exactly what happens when we have a police force who protect their own above all, who breed misogyny and racism and who have an incredible amount of power with very little checking of how they wield it.

@Pumperthepumper. So WC is just a helpless pawn of the met police and was brainwashed by them into rape and murder? Sorry, no not buying it.

The reaction on here is more fearful than the statistics would warrant.

You’re even a thousand times more likely to be killed by the Covid vaccine^, than by the U.K. police, yet say you don’t trust the vaccine company or the JCVI and you’re a mad anti-vaxxer.

*policeconduct.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Documents/statistics/deaths_during_following_police_contact_201920.pdf

^as of June 2021, 1,424 yellow card reports of adverse reaction to Covid vaccine resulting in death.
www.precisionvaccinations.com/2021/06/25/uk-confirms-additional-deaths-related-covid-19-vaccines

Oh, and she suggested dialling 999 if an officer tried to force you into an unmarked car. And she said as a woman police officer, she dealt with sexism from her colleagues herself and never reported, through fear that when she called for backup in a tight spot, response might be slow and male colleagues would leave her to get her head kicked in. 🙄

Not to mention the many, many bad apples within the police force.

A retired woman police superintendent said on R4 this afternoon that she's advising women in her family in this situation to check the officer is using bodycam, agree to get into only a marked police car and insist the officer calls for backup in a marked car.

That protocol could save a life.

I’d love to hear more about Vanessa George being the result of symptomatic issues within early years in the same way WC was within the Met police.

I don’t think WC was the result of symptomatic issues with the Met police. To say that he is merely a product of whatever, take your pick, misogyny for example, is to say he was not responsible for kidnapping raping, murdering, dismembering and burning Sarah Everard. I think he is 100% responsible for his crimes. He’s not a ‘result’ of anything. Being part of the police force is not a mitigating circumstance...if anything it should carry a higher sentence because he was in a privileged position of trust.

Nice thread on which for you to continue denigrating our legitimate fears Margarita, slow clap

By a police officer in the UK? Talk about paranoia.
Are you fucking serious?
Do you know what thread you're on?

"I'd rather be alive and deal with any consequences than be dragged off to be killed."

By a police officer in the UK? Talk about paranoia.

I’d love to hear more about Vanessa George being the result of symptomatic issues within early years in the same way WC was within the Met police.