Women must resist arrest by any male police officer and demand the presence of a policewoman

@DdraigGoch
Two of the indecent exposure allegations were made in the immediate run up to the murder. Was the connection between either of these and WC made before or after the murder?

From what I have read to date, the connection appears to have been made after the murder because the police officers that received the allegations which were filed a few days before the murder sat on them/left them in their inbox. They’re currently being disciplined for not having promptly opened investigations into the allegations and not informing WCs supervisor/management.

1. yes

2. call for assistance

Should the police stop sending lone male officers to female victims then?

What if a lone male officer finds a distressed female on the street?

What would happen to the culture if a large number of women were trained and employed as chaperones?

This is a very good idea, @EmbarrassingAdmissions. Just thinking out loud, perhaps the first recruits could be women who have a martial arts background.
I already do this for my DD and her friends; I shadow them at a distance in public places, as in our area there have been incidences of teenagers threatening younger kids. Random women have looked out for me at various times, and have even given me lifts. I appreciate the solidarity.

Hinsliff:

Former Scotland Yard deputy assistant commissioner David Gilbertson has warned of an “epidemic” of hidden violence, including cases where officers in domestic violence units “actively searched out vulnerable women for sexual gratification, and in order to gain access to their children for sexual purposes”. Among a grim catalogue unearthed by the Observer was a Met officer dismissed for taking advantage of a rape victim whose case he was investigating.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/30/wayne-couzens-sarah-everard-women-faith-police

In my job, if I am accused of anything (whether something criminal, a H&S breach, or whatever) I would be suspended immediately pending an investigation. I wouldn't be allowed any contact with anyone at work except management and a union rep. Only once cleared would I be allowed back. I was under the impression that any allegation of criminal behaviour by a police officer resulted in suspension (including removal of warrant card) pending investigation. Is this not the case? If not, why not? If so, what went wrong here, and why?

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]@AssassinatedBeauty
Indecent exposure is also a red flag.
Anything that indicates a warning of something worse might happen is a red flag. Obviously, it’s not a red flag for more indecent exposure, but it is a red flag for rape and murder.[/quote]
Indecent exposure is more like a red battle ensign than a mere flag.

For those not familiar with the term, a battle ensign was a very large flag flown by a warship during a battle to make it obvious who was friend and who was foe. One captured at Trafalgar measures 32ftx47ft.

I've never murdered someone and that's not because of the existence of the police it's because it's abhorrent.

I wouldn't do it. £20k/yr in London to start, hostile public, not enough colleagues, sergeants with zero management training, no set finish time, no ringfenced days off or holidays, a good chance of getting your head kicked in, half the people you meet are career criminals you keep arresting over and over, you get to see graphic violence, abused kids, raped women, dead bodies, you have to pass fitness tests even if you do a desk job, your pension has been fucked over, your stab vest doesn't fit, and you are working Christmas Day, your child's birthday and Mother's Day.

Nah, no thanks.

If the police forces were better employers, they'd have better applicants to choose from. I say that as someone who has friends in the police. They're terrible employers.

Officers shouldn't be putting themselves at risk all the time, they shouldn't be so overstretched they can't actually fight any crime (that must feel awful) and they shouldn't be tied up looking after mentally ill people because the government has fuck all mental health provision. Investment is needed, oversight is needed, some employment rights for police officers are needed (including protection for whistleblowers).

The resisting arrest idea is madness though. The more you resist the more they are allowed to fight you. Look how black people are treated. They resist arrest and get killed. Being arrested isn't something you can opt out of, and it's naive to suggest you can. Plus if you have been arrested by a violent sexist bastard, he'd love the fact you've given him the legal excuse to hurt you. Camera or no camera.

The police are not under funded. They have the resources to dance at every pride parade and pet people dressed in puppy costumes, they have the resources to ask people on social media to get in touch if they’ve been offended by anything as it might be a hate crime, they have the resources to send 2 officer to a different county on an overnight stay to interview a mum about her views, they have the resources to turn up at workplaces to “check your thinking”.

This

The people themselves are in charge of stopping themselves.

That’s just Met officers - it will be rife across the UK

750 charges of sexual assault against police officers and only 83 sacked

Female friend is a long serving police officer. Says she isn’t surprised at all how easy it was for that monster to keep his job whilst colleagues knew full well he was dangerous to women.

There are complaints made internally against male officers conduct on a regular basis and nothing is done, excuses made, swept under the carpet. The next thing the accused appear in the newspapers or on the news. System is broken.

That doesn't even make any sense. Teachers, property developers, care takers, members of the clergy, taxi drivers, football players, I could probably list every occupation under the sun. People in these occupations have been convicted of rape. It doesn't make it any better because of the job they do. You don't just go 'Bob got arrested for rape the other day but he is a roofer so what can you expect'.

[quote Jijithecat]@Pumperthepumper I expect everyone to be of a high standard regardless of their occupation. Your standards should be much, much higher.[/quote]
Higher than the police, really? You expect nobody to ever commit a crime? Should we just abolish them completely then?

@Pumperthepumper I expect everyone to be of a high standard regardless of their occupation. Your standards should be much, much higher.

We haven't got the numbers to be double crewed
We haven't got the numbers to attend the emergency calls - let alone the non-emergency ones

We haven't got the numbers to ask for assistance half the time

Other matters aside, I wonder if the numbers and culture might be different if women were retained rather than leaving because they report that if they complained about their colleagues they'd be left to 'get their heads kicked in' (posted upthread).

Or if the police officers engaging in misogynist 'banter' on WhatsApp had been at all accountable for it?

I absolutely expect them to be above reproach. I absolutely expect them to be able to hand over a squeaky clean internet search history all of the time. Your standards should be much, much higher.

WC wasn't just a police officer though was he. He was a husband, a father, a neighbour, a member of the community etc. He would have been interacting with lots of different people all of the time and I can't believe that he was that good at covering up his behaviour in front of them all the time. Yet no one is demanding to know why none of these people reported these issues.
You won't have any officers left if you expect them to leave their body cams on all the time with the exception of toilet breaks or get them to reveal their internet search history all of the time.