Women must resist arrest by any male police officer and demand the presence of a policewoman

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4533014/Scotland-Yard-officer-Britain-s-gender-fluid-cop.html

Granny

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4366749-Met-Police-officer-becomes-Britains-first-bi-gender-PC?msgid=111393071#prettyPhoto

And yes, there was a news article about one Met officer, I have heard of another, and a previous poster mentioned one in West Yorkshire Police

Isn't that about being a citizen of two countries though, you are never two people from one country. I mean I know you have a choice of travel documents, but it states you are a citizen of XXXX, issued by different states.

Instil, not until. Autocorrect dumbs down vocabulary. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Is there proof of the 2 warrant card gender fluid officer somewhere? That doesn't until confidence, if true.

We are policed by consent in this country and not by armed force and fear as in some - many - other states. If public consent is eroded, we are looking down the barrel of a gun.

Government needs to make this issue an absolute priority and get it right first time or they risk creating an ungovernable populace.

You're kidding? A met officer has both a male and a female ID card? We would be the laughing stock of the world except that many 'advanced' countries are similarly deluded.
Regarding Scottish police...Do not, do not trust a word they say. It really is the Mad Hatters Tea Party up there and women truly don't matter. Remember men in party drag have more rights than any women in Scotland.

I am aware of some companies thinking through the 'legal identity' issue even where they have granted 2 different ID badges etc. It's creating security anomalies as well as contract issues/timesheets and payroll problems.

Does the other identity have to be sworn in as an officer too? Would an arrest stand up in court if the second identity is not a legal entity?

Good points, I don’t know. It’d be interesting if anyone challenged it legally.

a warrant is a prestigious ID it makes a mockery of it IMO.

Agreed.

People don’t get two passports, two driving licences, a warrant is a prestigious ID it makes a mockery of it IMO.

Said person has a male and female warrant card.

Fucking ridiculous.

There were officers in court speaking up in defence of WC even after he'd pled guilty.

I would seriously question their judgment.

I agree with the suggestion someone made about including a spiel similar to the one about the right to remain silent, but about the use of handcuffs and right to call to check the officer is legit.

I'm not sure insisting on two officers present for any arrest would make a huge difference though... There were officers in court speaking up in defence of WC even after he'd pled guilty.

The met police are rotten to the core if they have officers willing to do that, confident that they can go back to work the next day without consequences... Presumably they are not worried about how their colleagues will view/treat them. Rotten.

They NEED to tackle the rot, and they need to do it thoroughly tackling the problem from top to bottom...

Yes the control room would have confirmed he was an off duty officer - but the rest of what is on that link would have raised significant concerns.

I agree that change has to come from within the police, but PS have taken real steps to address concerns here. It’s normally 2 officers anyway, so I feel a lot of safer here - but the new guidance increases that.

WC's control room would have confirmed that he was who he said he was and quite probably be OK with the reason he was speaking to Sarah Everard. OK, it would have flagged that he wasn't on duty. But can't off-duty officers still 'work' anyway?
And I'm afraid I think this still puts the onus on members of the public to act (even if the officer 'proactively' offers to be ID-checked). And it doesn't solve the problem of some people needing to be apprehended quickly.
Change must come from within the police force.

Definitely, and still infinitely better than ‘flag down a bus’ and all the other insulting bullshit aimed at women. I also saw an excellent tweet about how the police force seem to aiming to stop there being another Sarah Everard, rather than stopping another WC. Very true.

Absolutely agree. I know it’s not perfect but it’s a step forward, and shows that they acknowledge concerns and are actively looking for solutions.

[quote SirChenjins]Police Scotland already taking action - good for them www.scotland.police.uk/what-s-happening/news/2021/october/lone-police-officers-to-offer-verification-check-to-members-of-the-public/[/quote]
I saw that last night - what an excellent first step.

Police Scotland already taking action - good for them www.scotland.police.uk/what-s-happening/news/2021/october/lone-police-officers-to-offer-verification-check-to-members-of-the-public/

the police think it's unworkable, then I think it's down to them to come up a satisfactory alternative

I agree. I think we're all aware of what's unworkable about our solutions so we would appreciate some guidance from the people who actually have some understanding of the various barriers and their influence.

We may be heading for a Winter and Spring of considerable discontent. The police need the public onside unless the government has abrogated so much power to itself that the police are confident that they can continue to operate in a culture of impunity.

Ok well if, the police think it's unworkable, then I think it's down to them to come up a satisfactory alternative, but I suggest they do so quickly because right now our trust and confidence is hanging by a thread and, once it breaks, they won't know what's hit them.