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Lammy… again!

214 replies

Sexnotgender · 29/09/2021 09:49

Apparently an adult male can get a cervix through hormones and surgery!

Who knew?

I’m equally embarrassed for him and bloody livid that this moron is in government.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 29/09/2021 13:09

@DisappearingGirl

twitter.com/LBC/status/1443125834626260993

"It's probably the case that trans women don't have ovaries ... but a cervix, I understand, is something that you can have, following, er ... various procedures and hormone treatment and all the rest of it"

For some reason the serious way in which he delivered this expert biological explanation really tickled me Grin

Grin. He really had the “I don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about face” for that one! Twonk.
IsitM · 29/09/2021 13:05

‘THE’ exam paper. Bah...

OvaHere · 29/09/2021 13:05

Reminder that David Lammy was one of the key Labour politicians that pushed for the GRA 2004.

It's quite clear from today he must have had no real understanding back then of the demographic he was advocating for and perhaps literally thought they grew female reproductive organs.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 29/09/2021 13:05

I'm a bit worried about the impact on Ovarian Cancer awareness as well, which is already very low.

David Lammy: "it's probably the case that transwomen don't have ovaries".

twitter.com/LBC/status/1443125834626260993?s=19

PROBABLY?!

IsitM · 29/09/2021 13:05

@DeclineandFall

Why on earth has the Labour Party not given all their politicians a line to use when this issue comes up. Its not difficult to find some way of getting them to say something whilst saying nothing dealing with this. It's like they really do believe its a niche issue, and the angry ladeez will go away. That they are so out of touch with the reality on the ground, is more worrying.
THIS! They were given to exam paper over a week before the exam and STILL didn’t bother to revise!
GrimDamnFanjo · 29/09/2021 13:04

@NapoleonOzmolysis

I think the Shadow sports minister who made a tit of herself on Women's Hour this morning also used the term "obsession with identity politics" so I assume it was on their briefing cards for today.
Agreed. It's shameful to be honest. Women really don't matter.
Jaysmith71 · 29/09/2021 13:03

It is absolutely all written on their cribsheets. They are like supply teachers who've been left a copy of the teacher's answer book.

Have you noticed they've stopped saying, "We have been very clear..."

BabyOctopus · 29/09/2021 13:03

I work in the health sector. So what would expert biologist David Lammy suggest if I wanted to raise awareness among women of the importance of getting their regular cervical smear tests?

We’ve already established that any comms messaging targeting ‘women’ alone has been deemed appropriate.

To allow for transmen, we can say ‘women and people with a cervix’ (I’m not especially bothered by that one, albeit not as snappy and harder to fit on a poster)

For those who want to get rid of the word women altogether, there is always ‘cervix-havers.’ (I can’t be bothered to go into why this one is so offensive both from a clear-English point of view and from a feminist point of view).

And now, to top it off, Lammy has suggested that even ‘cervix-havers’ includes male-bodied people, so we can’t even use that.

So what language do we use to make sure women get their smear tests so ultimately we can prevent them from fucking dying of cervical cancer?

Absolute disgrace.

NapoleonOzmolysis · 29/09/2021 12:58

I think the Shadow sports minister who made a tit of herself on Women's Hour this morning also used the term "obsession with identity politics" so I assume it was on their briefing cards for today.

lifeturnsonadime · 29/09/2021 12:52

It's no wonder he's in the TRA's pockets, he seems to enjoy oppression olympics as much as they do.

Who knew that black men must always be listened to on women's rights because their ancestors were once enslaved?

And the lies about suicide are just frankly disgraceful.

Sugaris · 29/09/2021 12:50

It’s weird. David Lammy harrumphing about “obsession with identity politics.”

Now I know how Nelson Mandela must have felt when Margaret Thatcher started calling for sanctions against Iraq.

MrsWinkly · 29/09/2021 12:47

In other news, 2 new kinds of dinosaur have been found. I'm just waiting with baited breath to see if they come under the rad fem species. So exciting!

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 29/09/2021 12:43

David Lammy is pursuing the same tactic on twitter now.

The climate crisis. Energy shortages. Gaps in staffing. Children’s education. Mental health. Poverty. Economic growth.

These are the issues that the public and @UKLabour are focussed on today. It is journalists not us politicians who are obsessed with talking identity politics.

twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1443131899652853760?s=19

Is there anyone here who can clarify how women, talking about the impact on women's rights, are classified as talking identity politics, but David Lammy isn't?

Over the course of this conference, he's done trans activism, black men being under-represented in the parliamentary labour party and measures to change that, his personal identifying as a feminist (he said that!) and how women can't talk to him about the erosion of their rights today, because of the historic injustices suffered by his ancestors. (50% of whom were women. Does he know?)

I think his ID-Pol score is much higher than that of women just saying, "er David, let's not put rapists in women's prisons". Right?

BaronessWrongCrowd · 29/09/2021 12:43

@DeclineandFall

Why on earth has the Labour Party not given all their politicians a line to use when this issue comes up. Its not difficult to find some way of getting them to say something whilst saying nothing dealing with this. It's like they really do believe its a niche issue, and the angry ladeez will go away. That they are so out of touch with the reality on the ground, is more worrying.
I believe that the lines that have given to them include the words; most, marginalised, abused; one-in-our; no and conflict.
Staffy1 · 29/09/2021 12:41

I think Lammy is one of those people that just tries to wind up as many people as possible and hates everyone.

Cailleach1 · 29/09/2021 12:39

I wonder if Lammy would be satisfied if a substantial number of bodies in the Commons id'd as black men. Job done. If Theresa May did, then there'd even have been a PM!

If he says he believes transubstantiation in one 'identity', he would be hypocritical not to say he believes and accepts the other.

Jaysmith71 · 29/09/2021 12:39

"It's probably the case that trans women don't have ovaries..."

It's probably the case that David Lammy has a brain, somewhere.

DisappearingGirl · 29/09/2021 12:36

twitter.com/LBC/status/1443125834626260993

"It's probably the case that trans women don't have ovaries ... but a cervix, I understand, is something that you can have, following, er ... various procedures and hormone treatment and all the rest of it"

For some reason the serious way in which he delivered this expert biological explanation really tickled me Grin

Zeugma · 29/09/2021 12:35

@Joystir59

When you think of the role a real cervix plays in the protection of the foetus and the birth of a baby, it's such an insult to pretend that men can get one made.
I imagine his wife must be delighted to know how much attention he was paying while she gave birth to their 3 children.
Cailleach1 · 29/09/2021 12:28

Oh, gosh. The interviews could be asking him (presuming here) about important issues. Not about women. Actually he dodges women and goes straight to 'what about trans'.

Hah? Imagine a current affairs programme raising this deplorable onslaught against women's safety, dignity and fairness when important topics could be discussed instead!

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 29/09/2021 12:21

@DeclineandFall

Why on earth has the Labour Party not given all their politicians a line to use when this issue comes up. Its not difficult to find some way of getting them to say something whilst saying nothing dealing with this. It's like they really do believe its a niche issue, and the angry ladeez will go away. That they are so out of touch with the reality on the ground, is more worrying.
I could draft a better statement that would keep the trans activists off the party's back without alienating the general public and I'm supposed to be on the other side!
SapphosRock · 29/09/2021 12:18

Oh dear. I can't believe it didn't even occur to him that some females born with cervixes grow up to identify as men.

DeclineandFall · 29/09/2021 12:17

Why on earth has the Labour Party not given all their politicians a line to use when this issue comes up. Its not difficult to find some way of getting them to say something whilst saying nothing dealing with this. It's like they really do believe its a niche issue, and the angry ladeez will go away. That they are so out of touch with the reality on the ground, is more worrying.

Sugaris · 29/09/2021 12:11

@Doglicks

I went to school with him. He peddles this "born and brought up on the mean streets of Tottenham" nonsense, but he was actually a full boarder at The Kings Cathedral School in Peterborough, and was a chorister in the Cathedral choir. I have a cassette tape of him singing "Old Father Time" in a high soprano solo, from a school play in 1985. Barely went home apart from 3 times a year for 7 years. Then off to Oxford and then Harvard. When exactly was he down living the rough life in the ghetto, that he bases his politics on?

(Sorry that was just an aside from your thread) :-)

How interesting. I knew about Oxford and Harvard but always assumed that he’d struggled into those places from the mean streets and his having had to work four times as hard in a candlelit one room flat explained why he hadn’t had time to absorb more mundane facts like who succeeded Henry VIII and how a pope is chosen. And biology.
PankhurstConnection · 29/09/2021 12:11

@BlaydonRaces

He's absolutely right - all you need to do is fill a little flower pot with soil, put it in a sunny location, water it with oestrogen and unicorn poo, and soon you will have a lovely little cervix of your own!
You get lots of gold stars for making me laugh in the midst of despair. I love the women on this site. Star Star Star
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