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Labour councillor reveals she suffered 'transphobic abuse' at party conference

231 replies

cheeseismydownfall · 28/09/2021 19:19

And where did Patricia Hannah-Wood, a trans woman, suffer this "abuse"?

In the loos, apparently. The women's loos, I assume.

I wonder what the nature of this alleged abuse is? A woman expressing her discomfort with having to share a female-only space with a male-bodied person?

But as we have been told, there is no conflict between women's rights and trans rights, so...

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CinnamonMagic · 29/09/2021 00:55

I haven't seen that part of the video yet because I didn't see a way to get negative numbers on the video linked, mine started at 0. So I went to 5 hours 16 into it an saw female speakers supporting an emergency motion about violence against women and girls, with one being very clear that sex matters and supporting the MP who has been getting the abuse.

Which was reassuring as a member seriously considering leaving the party over this issue, if not what I was looking for, I'll try again.

Cailleach1 · 29/09/2021 00:06

I think it is evident that these super misogynists progressives think women shouldn't be allowed to challenge men in putative single sex, (female) spaces any more?

Can you look into a man's soul and know he does not 'identify' as a woman? That is the test of a woman now. Allegedly.

NiceGerbil · 28/09/2021 23:53

The incident would have been reported. the individual disciplined/ chucked out of party.

There were multiple witnesses.

As for challenging. No way will they give guidance!

The approach they would take I think would be the general one women are being pushed to follow.

Assume they are in the right place.
Be kind.
Any indication you feel uncomfortable etc is a microaggression.
If a crime is committed then it can be reported.

BaronMunchausen · 28/09/2021 23:46

@Thelikelylass

This is madness, isn't it? Case after case after case of men who decide to call themselves a woman's name, look like men and then go into a women's' safe space and don't expect to be challenged. If I was in the bathroom and this person walked in damn right I would want to know why he was in the women's loo as there is nothing in his appearance on that photograph that would even make me think this is a woman. Challenging someone would be perfectly reasonable, not fucking transphobic. Stupid twats, this makes me even more determined to fight for our rights now.
If this 'abuse' was a woman challenging someone who presented as a man, then the follow-up must include clear guidance from Labour as to when and how women can challenge men in their safe spaces.
TheBlackDarner · 28/09/2021 23:45

@NiceGerbil

Having watched the video clip.

I find it even more unlikely that a report would not have been made.

I spent many years at Labour Conference, I agree. The speaker, for some reason, reminds me of Michael Foot. More in countenance, than speech, perhaps?
Goldshelfie · 28/09/2021 23:41

Does anyone know what time this was on radio 4 tonight please?

NiceGerbil · 28/09/2021 23:39

Having watched the video clip.

I find it even more unlikely that a report would not have been made.

NiceGerbil · 28/09/2021 23:38

Thanks for taking it how I intended cailleach :)

Cailleach1 · 28/09/2021 23:36

Point taken NiceGerbil, although of course this a very real possibility with mixed toilets and I was not stating that is what happened in this instance.

To be careful though, I have asked for the post to be deleted.

FurzeMinister · 28/09/2021 23:33

FFS, shades of Teddi Hope!

If you experience abuse at a party political event, report it promptly through the official channels and detail specifically what occurred. If you can identify the alleged abuser - there can't be that many nuns at the Labour Party conference these days! - then report the person. This coy public innuendo helps no one, and just fuels a lot of pointless speculation.

unwashedanddazed · 28/09/2021 23:06

Absolute drivel being applauded by sheep.

But the sub-titles are great! Just who is Auntie Bigotry? And was she in the ladies causing a ruckus? Comrades we need to burn the witch!!!

NiceGerbil · 28/09/2021 23:04

Cailleach not trying to be an arse. I do wonder though if even hinting at / raising anything like that on a thread about a named person. Even with saying not saying it happened. I think it could be used to get the thread to go zap.

I mean I don't know but it's good to be careful with these things.

Sorry not having a go just would hate this thread to be vanished. Think need to tread carefully.

SpindleWorld · 28/09/2021 23:03

Yes, @nauticant, absolutely.

And that Labour conference hall is a crucible of social contagion, dotted with people too fearful to say anything.

NiceGerbil · 28/09/2021 23:00

Yes seen it!

Thank you.

toomanytrees · 28/09/2021 22:59

Strong undercurrent of (male type) anger on display.

MeAndDebbieMcGee · 28/09/2021 22:59

Dudes gonna dude

nauticant · 28/09/2021 22:56

Case after case after case of men who decide to call themselves a woman's name, look like men and then go into a women's' safe space and don't expect to be challenged.

Great, isn't it? Don't get challenged, validation. Get challenged, vindication.

It's win-win.

WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld · 28/09/2021 22:40

It worked!
It starts at -7 and you have to move forwards to -5.15

Cailleach1 · 28/09/2021 22:40

Oh hark! I've just come across the 'pan sexual' woman. Everyone clapping to this status declaration. When I hear the words 'social scientist' now, I groan inwardly.

BitMuch · 28/09/2021 22:37

PHW's speech against women and girls' rights to female-only toilets will not go down well where PHW is a councillor. Women have to be able to look after themselves and their daughters and their safety in Nelson. They know the meaning of the word abuse. Sexual harassment/verbal abuse of women, especially young girls, is common on the streets in Nelson and very little is done about it by the authorities.

Additionally, learning to swim is a genuinely lifesaving right that would be removed from Muslim girls and women if males are allowed to invade the swimming sessions which are currently "female only" "with no males present". www.pendleleisuretrust.co.uk/fitness/Female-only-Timetable/.

I hope PHW takes this story to every news outlet around.

Cailleach1 · 28/09/2021 22:36

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Hazycoffeek · 28/09/2021 22:34

@DdraigGoch

I would assume "it" meant the speech, rather than the Councillor. Or perhaps "it" means "the motion"
Ah yes, you’re right, I misread it.
Cailleach1 · 28/09/2021 22:25

@NiceGerbil , for the video:

  1. Go to Labour Party on youtube.
  2. Select this video, Watch Labour Conference 2021 Live - Day 4 .
  3. Go to around -5.16mins and you'll see and hear Patricia from Pendle. Patricia makes the allegation that some 'sister' in the women's toilets (at the same time as Patricia used the women's toilets, I presume) said something to which Patricia took exception.
KimikosNightmare · 28/09/2021 22:24

@NiceGerbil

That YouTube takes me to their livestream and you can't wind back.
Yes you can. I just have.
DdraigGoch · 28/09/2021 22:23

I would assume "it" meant the speech, rather than the Councillor.
Or perhaps "it" means "the motion"