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Diversity course at University of Kent

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andyoldlabour · 28/09/2021 14:35

The university of Kent is introducing a mandatory 4 hour diversity course for students where it will be concentrating on topics such as White Privilege, Microaggressions and Pronouns.
Apparently seconhand clothes could be seen as an example of "white privilege".
"The course, titled Expect Respect and seen by The Telegraph, includes a white privilege quiz where participants are asked to pick which of 13 options are societal benefits allegedly enjoyed by white people in the UK.
If the student ticks all 13, a gold star is awarded, and if not, a button appears directing them to retry.
Staff have also been emailed by faculty managers to consider adding trigger warnings to exam papers, and carry out “pronoun checks, make a note of them and use them correctly” when meeting new students, such as they/them or ze/zir."

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/wearing-second-hand-clothes-an-example-of-white-privilege-students-told/ar-AAOSULh?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAnZ9Ug

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KittenKong · 29/09/2021 15:34

Food - mmmmm McCowans toffee, square sausage, tattie scones, plain loaf, proper oatcakes, caboc/other cheeses, Scottish honey, Tudor crisps, anything tunnocks, scotch pie... irn bru, millionaires shortbread,

BigFatLiar · 29/09/2021 15:34

I like the supermarket style questions as it makes so many steriotypical assumptions.

If your of Chinese/Asian extract then in parts of Brum you would be labelled as white privileged as there are Asian supermarkets where the staff are mainly of Asian extract. It seems to ignore that there are places where white anglo saxon isn't the default even here in the UK.

Jaysmith71 · 29/09/2021 15:26

....Doin The Lambeth Walk, OI!

Jaysmith71 · 29/09/2021 15:24

"Food to match my heritage...."

Boiled Beef & Carrots? Jellied Eels and Pie & Mash, love a duck, down the old apples & pears, gawd bless the dear old Queen Mum, I'd string 'em up I would?

What the fuckimg fuck of fuck?

KittenKong · 29/09/2021 15:20

I think they brand your cheek with a big H (horrible heretic)

Imnobody4 · 29/09/2021 15:07

So what happens if you don't change your answer? Do you get a bigot label tied round your neck aka 'The Scarlet Letter'.
This must emanate from HR depts, I liked them better when they were Personnel Depts.

MyVisionsComeFromSoup · 29/09/2021 14:37

sorry for bolding cockup Grin

MyVisionsComeFromSoup · 29/09/2021 14:37

Here's an extract from the "sexism" section, with a totally new-to-me phrase, for your enjoyment:
"sex, most typically is a term used to refer to a biological imperative of one's identity often assigned at birth and reaffirmed at death "

MyVisionsComeFromSoup · 29/09/2021 14:37

Here's an extract from the "sexism" section, with a totally new-to-me phrase, for your enjoyment:
"sex, most typically is a term used to refer to a biological imperative of one's identity often assigned at birth and reaffirmed at death"

KittenKong · 29/09/2021 13:41

I’m Scottish... so I guess if I was playing at students there I’d be I then? Viking invasions, Romans, the clearances and all that jazz...

DottyHarmer · 29/09/2021 13:40

In this test you are either going to be honest and fail, or be dishonest and pass.

Looking at the questions, most students would fail, eg “I don’t have trouble finding foods in a supermarket to match my heritage” or “when I ask to speak to the manager they match my heritage”. It’s simply bizarre. It’s like the witch’s ducking stool.

applechips · 29/09/2021 13:13

I’m a serial name changer but I have been on mumsnet a fair few years and I often post about my working class background, and sometimes about the problems and dilemmas vulnerable families face (my old job used to be involved with vulnerable families) and there is usually always someone sneering at my posts, and I would put money on them being privileged people that consider themselves extremely liberal that are doing the sneering and the stereotyping.

I think it’s really divisive to try and have a race to the bottom between disadvantaged groups, and telling WC people that they are privileged or have had easy lives is really narrow minded.

And I don’t see how any of these quizzes help tackle inequality, i would rather see universities hire more underrepresented academics and staff than churn out this nonsense .

Jaysmith71 · 29/09/2021 12:40

You need your UKC ID to see it:

blogs.kent.ac.uk/staff-student-news/2020/10/08/launch-of-the-expect-respect-module/

SoManyQuestionsHere · 29/09/2021 12:38

I would encourage the defunding of these universities from taxpayers money if they get any.

Nah, the complete opposite!

So, any wonder that universities feel the need to pander to everyone's sensitivities? We have commodified education. Congratulations! It has worked! Students these days are paying a minor fortune for a measly undergrad of questionable market value - no wonder they expect their sensitivities to be prioritised. They'd be fucking stupid if they didn't at least demand the obligatory feel-good factor on top of the piece of paper in exchange for a minor fortune. FWIW, everyone and their grandmother has a degree at this point. As a hiring manager, I don't even particularly care in what yours happens to be or from where anymore. I'll have you pass some standardised tests and insist that my best and brightest interview you personally instead.

Truth be told: higher education is a major rip-off these days. And it's neither great for academic standards nor for the suckers that pay for the "pleasure" of participating. Nor, for that matter, is it for employers (see above, we invest a lot of money to deal with the results, too!).

Personally, I'm pretty convinced that the commodification of higher education has A LOT to answer for here.

C8H10N4O2 · 29/09/2021 12:38

@Jaysmith71

It's called the "Expect Respect" module and you must sign in with ID to see it.
To the Telegraph? I don't have an account, is the full module and context available anywhere else?
AlfonsoTheDinosaur · 29/09/2021 12:37

Yes, thank you. That's it "Expect Respect".

Jaysmith71 · 29/09/2021 12:32

It's called the "Expect Respect" module and you must sign in with ID to see it.

AlfonsoTheDinosaur · 29/09/2021 12:22

The U of Kent's diversity module (or whatever it's called) is a load of nonsense.

C8H10N4O2 · 29/09/2021 12:18

Has anyone throwing up their arms in shock and horror and stating this is racism against white people actually read the course materials and objectives?

Or checked if its part of a general diversity awareness programme covering other groups apart from ethnic minorities?

Jaysmith71 · 29/09/2021 12:14

I suspect Chaucer would be unacceptably diverse and would need to be replaced by something with more representation for oppressed minorities.

C8H10N4O2 · 29/09/2021 12:14

@andyoldlabour

C8H10N4O2

You referring to the Telegraph as a tabloid is very telling. How would you describe the Indy or the Guardian?

I didn't. You seem to have misread my post.
Beowulfa · 29/09/2021 12:05

What's the university's stance on second hand books and "white privilege", the cost of books being of great concern to students?

New paperbacks are expensive, hardbacks even more so. I got the complete works of Chaucer in a chazzer for 50p when I was studying English Lit (rrp £14.95). Was this wrong somehow?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/09/2021 11:47

From my limited experience of working in a university (not there now, thank god!), wouldn't a decision like this have to be approved at the highest level? For something to be mandatory for every single student - and not a trivial thing, this is a four hour online module - wouldn't the Academic Board or equivalent have had to agree to this? I wonder how much it cost to make.

Jaysmith71 · 29/09/2021 11:44

and it comes from white people who simply do not have a clue that all white people are as priviliged as them..

I think they know very well about the oiks, and this is them putting the oiks in their place.

RavingAnnie · 29/09/2021 11:41

My main concern about this is why the fuck do universities now think it's ok to tell students how to think rather than teaching critical thinking?

Debating and discussing these issues are absolutely fine. Dictating thought is a bit Orwellian.

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