AIBU to actually be starting to like the term cis?

[quote 00100001]@RainbowBriteUk

You are conflating sex with gender.

And transwomen are transwomen.

They can call themselves women, they can call themselves unicorns. They're still male. No amount of wishing, choosing of pronouns and invasion of female spaces will change that.[/quote]
They can call themselves women, yes, and people should respect that they wish to be known as a woman.

radar

I just feel we may get to a point where if you're introduced to a woman or man, how do you know if they're trans, unless they tell you

Really?

YABU. You're trying to find a compromise, OP, which is usually a good thing. But not when those you want to compromise with have made it very clear they want what you've got and they will never stop pushing for it. In other words, they won't compromise. And if you compromise, you're just giving in.

YABU. Loathsome term.

I'm a WOMAN. End of.

no idea what happened there

@Bizawit

well that is just bizarre.

There is nothing rude in requesting to be described a particular way.

I identify as a woman; that is not rude.

Someone calling a feminist a TERF; that IS rude.

(unless they like the term)

hope that helps

Well that’s just as silly and nonsense (and rude) as thinking the word “female” is offensive. Cis is just a descriptor for someone who is not trans.

laugh

what is cis?

Except that the vast majority of TW don’t have any surgery at all so yes it would seem you do know an unrepresentative group. That’s completely possible - from what I’ve read, those TW who have undergone many long painful processes are aghast at the Danielle muscatos and Alex Drummond’s of this world and quite possibly wouldn’t want to hang out with them

[quote herecomesthsun]@Grasshopper90 well now you know that quite a few women find it offensive

just as transpeople don't like being described in a way they find uncomfortable[/quote]
Well that’s just as silly and nonsense (and rude) as thinking the word “female” is offensive. Cis is just a descriptor for someone who is not trans.

I have to say reading that we should move beyond facts has been the hottest take of the day

[quote OurMamInHavianas]scarpa
It only applies to men.
And how do you know?

Not every man is as open about it as Grayson Perry
nationalpost.com/opinion/barbara-kay-absolutist-dogma-is-chilling-transgender-research[/quote]
Dunno, I think watching the trans women I've known go through years of waiting to see a doctor, hostility from their families and workplaces, multiple surgeries with uncertain outcomes, depression and agoraphobia as a result of public abuse, just to be able to feel comfortable in themselves probably weren't doing it because they're pervs who want a more exciting wank. Because who would? It's not quite the same as 'throw on a dress and bob's your aunty', 100% of trans people that I know have made concerted, difficult effort to fully transition.

But like I said, maybe I've known a wildly non-representative group of trans people! Who can say!

Woman works for me, as does women. My dainty little fingers dance over the keyboard perfectly.

The words cis-women and cis-woman are ugly, clunky , unnecessary , devoid of meaning and difficult to type.

@Sunflowers095

I also notice you didn't answer how it feels to be a woman. How do I know I'm a woman, other than biologically? I don't feel like a woman, I feel like me, so what next?

Jesus as soon as we all decide to use the word cis you can guarantee that the trans women would get there knickers in a twist about that too and demand the use of it.

Cis? #nothankyou

I find it a useful shorthand for someone who identifies with the sex they were born as.
Isn't shorthand supposed to make words shorter?

The vast majority of people identify as the sex they were born so why are they the ones who need an added descriptor? They don't.

If you use the word 'cis' then you have to use the word 'trans', because there's no way you could have cis women and women. So what's the point? Might as well have women and trans women.

WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN WOMAN

You can like whatever you want. That's the beauty of free speech. The issue is when speech is compelled.

I'm not cis. I'm a woman. And if a man used cis in a dating profile, that would be a clear sign that we weren't a match.

@RainbowBriteUk

You are conflating sex with gender.

And transwomen are transwomen.

They can call themselves women, they can call themselves unicorns. They're still male. No amount of wishing, choosing of pronouns and invasion of female spaces will change that.