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Labour's batshit opinions on women's rights

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PronounssheRa · 27/09/2021 17:54

Conference season is highlighting some interesting opinions from Labour mps on women's rights (although when asked about women's rights they always turn this into a discussion on trans issues)

I thought it would be useful to collate into one thread, feel free to add.

Starmer 'Only women have a cervix' is, "Something that should not be said."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4359097-Starmer-on-Marr-now

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ElizabethTudor · 29/09/2021 23:37

@PronounssheRa

Can I ask what can be done about it?

Labour claim this isn't being raised with them on the doorstep. We could targeted some MPs with letters and emails. But I'm sure I read somewhere that some MPs staff filter what the MPs actually get to see

This was pasted on a previous thread.

labour.org.uk/contact/policy-contact-form/

Use it to contact them to question / query their policy on women’s rights.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 29/09/2021 19:37

@SpindleWorld

Crazy, isn't it? They refuse to listen, or read, and then say it hasn't been raised with them.
Utter lie. I have raised it with my elected member!
SpindleWorld · 29/09/2021 17:22

Crazy, isn't it? They refuse to listen, or read, and then say it hasn't been raised with them.

Indoorcamping · 29/09/2021 17:18

Longterm labour voter here but fucking hell. They're so desperately woke these days, i don't know how they haven't connected this with losing votes. Its almost like they exist solely to ensure the tories keep getting elected.

PronounssheRa · 29/09/2021 17:16

Can I ask what can be done about it?

Labour claim this isn't being raised with them on the doorstep. We could targeted some MPs with letters and emails. But I'm sure I read somewhere that some MPs staff filter what the MPs actually get to see

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MissMarpleRocks · 29/09/2021 16:59

Can I ask what can be done about it?

I emailed the lancet & got a generic reply. I copied in my MP (Tory) & got a reply thanking me for sending me a copy my excellent email.

But what can I do to let labour & the other parties know that the exclusion of women’s rights is not acceptable. Unless they are your MP they don’t look at the correspondence I don’t think?

I’m not a dinosaur & I’ll be damned if some bigoted man should call me such simply because I want to be referred to as a woman.

ScribblingPixie · 29/09/2021 16:50

This is not a party I would vote for any more - they frighten and enrage me in equal measures.

ChimChimeny · 29/09/2021 16:33

@QuentinBunbury

have noone to vote for

This is how I feel. I'm hoping that by the time we have to vote something has changed (wishful thinking no doubt ☹️)

FrancescaContini · 29/09/2021 12:58

@Bellendejour

My DP sent me this handy Twitter thread this morning (apols if already shared)

mobile.twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1442783035389325313?s=08

I’ve voted Labour all my life, my parents work for the NHS but I will vote Tory in the next election on this basis.

I never imagined ever saying that.

Absolutely brilliant to collate like this. Thanks so much.
Bellendejour · 29/09/2021 12:16

My DP sent me this handy Twitter thread this morning (apols if already shared)

mobile.twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1442783035389325313?s=08

I’ve voted Labour all my life, my parents work for the NHS but I will vote Tory in the next election on this basis.

I never imagined ever saying that.

Sidehustle99 · 29/09/2021 11:58

Those tweets really are depressing Sad

FrancescaContini · 29/09/2021 11:54

@ScreamingMeMe

Alex Sobel's tweets where he says he doesn't think women should have their own spaces, and that there are no problems with "gender neutral" toilets.
Wow. Just…wow.

They have no idea, do they? They put their political career, their public image, their need to be seen as “down with the kidz “ above everything else.

I already knew that most politicians had no integrity but the last few days have been so very eye-opening. I didn’t think my eyes could be opened further…

No way are Labour getting my vote.

ScreamingMeMe · 29/09/2021 11:17

Jess Phillips in her own words:

"I helped write the document that demanded changes in self ID. I literally was part of the group of MPs who wanted change. Spousal veto for example is awful"

twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1213887262414581761?s=20

Labour's batshit opinions on women's rights
ScreamingMeMe · 29/09/2021 11:13

Jess Phillips championing the removal of asking the consent of a woman before her marriage changes

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3787357-Jess-Phillips-championing-the-removal-of-asking-the-consent-of-a-woman-before-her-marriage-changes

Babdoc · 29/09/2021 10:00

As a lifelong Conservative voter, I should be rubbing my hands in glee at the Labour shitshow, which will lose them the women’s vote completely.
However, we need a strong functional opposition for our democratic system of government to work. Any party, including my own, becomes stale, and more dangerously unaccountable, after too many terms of unopposed office.
How many more elections must Labour lose before they drop the woke crap and go back to appealing to normal voters?

Whereareyourshoes · 29/09/2021 09:38

I will continue to vote in every election but only after considering individual candidates rather than the party they stand for. The Labour Party have been shocking this week with their refusal to ensure women’s safety to speak. Elevating one group of people above all other vulnerable groups. Shameful times for the Labour Party.

bellinisurge · 29/09/2021 09:30

When the Tories are there for the taking, this is what will lose them the next election.
It's not about "hating trans people "; it's about hating loopholes that can be exploited by predators; it's about erasing words for women in the name of diversity but not doing it for men; it's about unfairness in sport; it's about calling people bigots for raising this.
Labour will lose.

StandWithYou · 29/09/2021 09:22

I have been really shocked this week.with the number of Labour MPs who have called women dinosaurs, not supporting single sex spaces etc. Ripnutmeg Twitter posts are quite frightening when it is all put together. The reaction on the conference hall to the Labour Councillor who is a transwoman was a standing ovation to an over emotive spiel without any consideration that women may have some concerns or a different view was really illuminating. The Labour Party are lost to me for now.

PronounssheRa · 29/09/2021 08:22

But I believe Jess Phillips has done a lot of positive work to highlight the abuse of women

She has, but she is silent on this issue. I don't believe for a second that jess doesn't understand these issues, and I understand why she is reluctant to speak out. But if MPs are afraid to speak then we are truly fucked.

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QuentinBunbury · 29/09/2021 08:19

I think I am going to have to abstain. I can't vote conservative due to the absolute shit show this country is in. I don't think I should have to reward them for stating basic biology.

However I can't vote Labour or lib dem either, because of this.
It ridiculous, I'm a politically engaged person, I ALWAYS vote. And I have noone to vote for

WeRoarSometimes · 29/09/2021 08:16

Labour has alienated some of its finest female MPs, Yvette Cooper, Margaret Beckett.
Others are being silenced after seeing the abuse and violent threats made against Rosie Duffield.

Rosena Allin-Khan (Tooting,London)
Sarah Champion (Rotherham),
Diana Johnson ( Kingston upon Hull).

Where are they? Why don't they get to speak?

I've written to my local Labour party rep about how women are being silenced with threats and have had a standard response trotted out.

Complex issues, condemn bigotry......

Sidehustle99 · 29/09/2021 07:54

But I believe Jess Phillips has done a lot of positive work to highlight the abuse of women. Not ready to throw her under a bus because of Keri. And my automatic go to would never be the Conservatives, ever. That goes agains every other principle I have and I believe in. Labour really have to do better IMO. Just because the cons aren't saying it doesn't mean they aren't thinking it. They have a very long history of whitewashing women's issues.

ClosDesMouches · 29/09/2021 07:53

Lifelong Labour 🦖 dinosaur voter here.
40 years voting for Labour until 2019 GE when I knew I could no longer vote for them because of this issue.

Where I think they will go now? Half of the party will be hoping it just goes away, but the other half will double down.
The party as a whole will not change its stance on this, continuing to frame as trans rights, not women's rights.
I expect further weasel words about protecting single sex spaces but no clarification about their definition of single sex.

PronounssheRa · 29/09/2021 07:41

I'm wondering where Labour go now with this. Do they double down, ignore it and hope it goes away, or try to somehow back away from being anti women and acknowledge women have rights too which are worthy of protection

Also are Labour advisors doing their jobs but being ignored by MPs or are labour advisors really rubbish (as well as the comms team)

So many questions.

No conflict of rights then, says Angela Rayner while Labour women are having to meet in secret with private security 🙄

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BraveBananaBadge · 29/09/2021 07:28

[quote Igneococcus]In the Times today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/169d8faa-207c-11ec-8cb7-e60ba8dbca61?shareToken=a0bca657417d4b329fcd58fe0c2dda03[/quote]
How awful. The thought of Angela Rayner getting anywhere near the Labour leadership is horrifying.

Matt Chorley mightn't be the most invested in the issue Molly but to hear three adults calmly and sensibly going over the issue - and Janice speaking, given plenty chance to speak, and being heard, objectively - was such a relief.

No conflict of rights then, says Angela Rayner. That's alright then isn't it.