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Step Forward Ian Murray....

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Jaysmith71 · 27/09/2021 14:40

Labour's Shadow Secretary of State for Scotland, chosen for this onerous role because he is the Tigger of Scottish Labour MPs; the wonderful thing about Ian is he's the only one.

Here are Ian's views on gynaecology, as told to Emma Barnett:

(IM) "I mean, (chuckle) ....it's a ...it's a medical science thesis, isn't it. It's probably not correct on the basis that you would maybe have some, er, men who've transitioned to be women but don't have a cervix. You might have some transtioning men that do have a, ...a, ...a cervix. you might have some women who've transtioned to men who don't. So ...ha, ...this sort of technical argument gets away from the...."

(EB) "....Sorry, what was your ...I didn't follow your answer. ...Was Kier Starmer right to say that?"

(IM) "I don't think Rosie Duffiled should have thought she couldn't have come to conference. And she's ...Conference is a perfectly safe place, and I think that highlights the problem with this argument..."

(EB) "...Sorry, could you answer ...do you mind ....would you mind answering the question? I didn't ask you if Rosie should come or not. ...She ...she feels she can't, right. ....That's. ....It's ...it's how it is. That's what's going on with Rosie. But you are a member of the shadow cabinet. You're the shadow Secretary of State for Scotland. Was Kier Starmer right in what he said yeterday?"

(IM) "...Well, ...I suppose, ha, ....you see, this is, ...this is where I think this whole debate gets bogged down in issues that are missing the point of the debate. ...Um ....In terms of the actual question that you're saying, in terms of the cervix question, of course biological women are born with a cervix, but sometimes you get (inaudible) ...transition, you will have people that are legally living as women that don't. So it's a technical question that I think that, ...um, ...takes away from the major debating points here, and this is the problem with this debate. ...Um. ...We've got two very polarised parts of this debate that need to come together. These issues are not resolvable. ....(Etc, etc, etc.)

(JS) ...Sorry. I can't carry on. I've lost the will to live.

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Jaysmith71 · 27/09/2021 14:54

"You might have some transtioning men that do have ...a cervix."

This is the craziest part, and it could mean one of two things:

  1. IM thinks males can acquire a cervix if they transition.

  2. IM thinks women who transition are men from the moment they elect to seek a GRC.

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Lowhum · 27/09/2021 14:53

I just think that some men have no idea what a cervix is and are utterly baffled about why this is hot topic at the moment.

ArabellaScott · 27/09/2021 14:52

They are probably scared of the wrong side of history.

History being, of course, shaped like a giant pair of sweaty bollocks.

RoyalCorgi · 27/09/2021 14:52

Like Reeves, he seems terrified of saying anything that will get him into trouble with the Inquistion.

I think that's true. However, any competent party would have media advisers who could have devised a simple formula for answering the question. Starmer, Reeves and Murray (and probably others) have all now ballsed it up.

He just needs to say something like "trans men also have a cervix". That would be entirely accurate and wouldn't offend anyone. It wouldn't even offend me.

NecessaryScene · 27/09/2021 14:51

I've seen it suggested about the Lib Dem leader that he can't answer the question sensibly or he'd be subject to expulsion from the party for "transphobia" under their "code of conduct".

It may be that that's what they're afraid of in the Labour party - although I gather that the Labour TRAs are unhappy that they haven't got a solid enough definition of "transphobia" in the party, suggesting it's a bit woolly.

Maybe they're scared of retroactive discplinary measures when that comes into force...

ArabellaScott · 27/09/2021 14:50

@StillWeRise

imagine Malcom Tucker....
I do. I do.
StillWeRise · 27/09/2021 14:46

imagine Malcom Tucker....

Jaysmith71 · 27/09/2021 14:46

They’re all falling apart live on air/tv and looking completely incompetent and stupid.

Two explanations for that:

  1. The Occam: They are completley incompetent and stupid.

but I don't think so.

  1. Like Reeves, he seems terrified of saying anything that will get him into trouble with the Inquistion.
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Gncq · 27/09/2021 14:45

Will these fucking imbeciles grow a backbone?

To paraphrase Savid Javid or is it Javid Savid I don't know because he's Tory and I really don't give them much time....

You're in total denial of science, and you want to help run the NHS?

AnneLovesGilbert · 27/09/2021 14:43

The major debating point is whether or not a woman is an adult human female.

I do wish broadcasters would insist this is a women’s rights issue not a trans right issue.

And I’m staggered that the Labour Party people being sent out for interviews haven’t been given and rehearsed the party line. They’re all falling apart live on air/tv and looking completely incompetent and stupid.

ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 27/09/2021 14:43

I wish Michael Spicer would do one of those advisor-in-the-next-room videos to one of these interviews but he’d probably get crucified on Twitter.

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