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Step Forward Ian Murray....

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Jaysmith71 · 27/09/2021 14:40

Labour's Shadow Secretary of State for Scotland, chosen for this onerous role because he is the Tigger of Scottish Labour MPs; the wonderful thing about Ian is he's the only one.

Here are Ian's views on gynaecology, as told to Emma Barnett:

(IM) "I mean, (chuckle) ....it's a ...it's a medical science thesis, isn't it. It's probably not correct on the basis that you would maybe have some, er, men who've transitioned to be women but don't have a cervix. You might have some transtioning men that do have a, ...a, ...a cervix. you might have some women who've transtioned to men who don't. So ...ha, ...this sort of technical argument gets away from the...."

(EB) "....Sorry, what was your ...I didn't follow your answer. ...Was Kier Starmer right to say that?"

(IM) "I don't think Rosie Duffiled should have thought she couldn't have come to conference. And she's ...Conference is a perfectly safe place, and I think that highlights the problem with this argument..."

(EB) "...Sorry, could you answer ...do you mind ....would you mind answering the question? I didn't ask you if Rosie should come or not. ...She ...she feels she can't, right. ....That's. ....It's ...it's how it is. That's what's going on with Rosie. But you are a member of the shadow cabinet. You're the shadow Secretary of State for Scotland. Was Kier Starmer right in what he said yeterday?"

(IM) "...Well, ...I suppose, ha, ....you see, this is, ...this is where I think this whole debate gets bogged down in issues that are missing the point of the debate. ...Um ....In terms of the actual question that you're saying, in terms of the cervix question, of course biological women are born with a cervix, but sometimes you get (inaudible) ...transition, you will have people that are legally living as women that don't. So it's a technical question that I think that, ...um, ...takes away from the major debating points here, and this is the problem with this debate. ...Um. ...We've got two very polarised parts of this debate that need to come together. These issues are not resolvable. ....(Etc, etc, etc.)

(JS) ...Sorry. I can't carry on. I've lost the will to live.

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Ghostsintheshelf · 27/09/2021 17:10

@ArtemesiaK

I heard this. It was as if he hadn't been told this was a question he'd need to answer and hadn't thought about it at all. When these people get stuck for words, they all seem to mutter something about the matter "needing to be debated". Well, OK, we're wanting to debate it, but certain people won't let us. "They're being twansphobic! Shut them up!"
The "we need a respectful debate" line is always accompanied by some guff about "it's wrong to say only women have cervixes" or "any debate must start with the premise that twaw". It's just astounding. The idea that a debate in which everyone is forced to lie because some people find reality hurtful could have any value. I don't see how that could in any way be described as respectful.
Anontwentyone · 27/09/2021 17:08

@Antinerak

It would be much easier for them to state "Not everyone who has a cervix is a woman, and not all women have a cervix. Please use the correct and preferred terms when referring to any human e.g. man with a cervix, woman with no cervix, etc,." It's not rocket science.
Hmm Right, so according to your ideology "women with no cervix" puts women with a hysterectomy in the same group as men who identify as women who can impregnate women with a cervix using their sperm.

Yeah.

That's logical alright.

OR people could actually be honest and truthful and say... "women including women who identify as men or other genders, have a cervix" trans inclusive and factual. Job done

TheWeeDonkey · 27/09/2021 17:08

@StillWeRise

imagine Malcom Tucker....
Every time
Artichokeleaves · 27/09/2021 17:06

Really.

Journos, it's not difficult guys. We have all the evidence, it's here on the threads, just ask.

littlbrowndog · 27/09/2021 16:57

@BaronessWrongCrowd

Why aren’t the journalists pressing these cowardly dimwits what they mean by most marginalised. What does exactly do they mean. Where is the evidence?
This is the most pressing question
BaronessWrongCrowd · 27/09/2021 16:48

Why aren’t the journalists pressing these cowardly dimwits what they mean by most marginalised. What does exactly do they mean. Where is the evidence?

ArtemesiaK · 27/09/2021 16:39

I heard this. It was as if he hadn't been told this was a question he'd need to answer and hadn't thought about it at all. When these people get stuck for words, they all seem to mutter something about the matter "needing to be debated". Well, OK, we're wanting to debate it, but certain people won't let us. "They're being twansphobic! Shut them up!"

PronounssheRa · 27/09/2021 16:20

And I’m staggered that the Labour Party people being sent out for interviews haven’t been given and rehearsed the party line

I think they have been prepped, this is the party line, they stumble and waffle because they are being asked to recite a party line that is incoherent nonsense

Antinerak · 27/09/2021 16:17

It would be much easier for them to state "Not everyone who has a cervix is a woman, and not all women have a cervix. Please use the correct and preferred terms when referring to any human e.g. man with a cervix, woman with no cervix, etc,." It's not rocket science.

catsareme14 · 27/09/2021 15:30

It annoys me too that every time an interviewer raise a question concerning women the person being interviewed immediately starts talking about The Trans debate & ignores the biological women angle .

Ghostsintheshelf · 27/09/2021 15:24

I wish an interviewer would ask how they are defining marginalisation. Taking away the false suicide stats and the hate incident ("someone misgendered me on twitter) stats, how are they assessing who is marginalised?

QueenPeary · 27/09/2021 15:23

He's my MP. If the clear-thinking cervix-havers of Edinburgh South can't peak him no one can.

doublemonkey · 27/09/2021 15:21

These fucking simpering lickspittles! How little respect they have for 51% of the population.

We will remember every fucking last one of them.

QueenPeary · 27/09/2021 15:19

Oh Ian 🤦🏻‍♀️

CatNamedEaster · 27/09/2021 15:17

I can almost imagine Services for Cervixes being the next logo on NHS screening leaflets.

MrsWinkly · 27/09/2021 15:12

How do these confused men ever manage to reproduce? I've come to the conclusion that it happens by accident.
Biology really isn't that baffling Ian mate.

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Jaysmith71 · 27/09/2021 15:09

Call Services for Cervixes and we'll service your crevice, Missus.

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CatNamedEaster · 27/09/2021 15:07

Cervixes not servicesBlush

CatNamedEaster · 27/09/2021 15:07

When what it needs is interviewers to start breaking it down. Imagine if she had said "so you are saying that some biological men are born with services?" That's something that sounds so ridiculous for an MP to say that a lot of people's ears would prick up.

Artichokeleaves · 27/09/2021 15:05

It's getting quite funny.

Ask the question, watch the meltdown.

CatNamedEaster · 27/09/2021 15:03

Sometimes I wonder if there is a third reason to come out with such incomprehensible crap: to make anyone who doesn't know about the issue just dismiss it as above their heads/irrelevant etc. Which would be quite a clever tactic, as anyone who is too busy worrying about money, food, their kids education and now petrol will just park it as something they probably don't need to give head space to.

ArabellaScott · 27/09/2021 15:01

Current Labour catchism:

*Transwomen are the most marginalised people
*Toxic debate
*We must have respectful debate
*nobody should say only women have cervixes
*women are totally safe, its safe, everything is fine
*let's not discuss technical issues

That it?

OvaHere · 27/09/2021 14:59

They're just all tying themselves in linguistic knots because it's nonsense. They're trying to shoehorn both male and female biology under one heading called 'women'.

They daren't leave male trans people out of the equation for fear of offence and undermining the TWAW mantra even a tiny bit.

But they also don't want to leave female trans people out either because they do have a cervix and of course will need the appropriate health care stemming from that.

It's a great big steaming mess because they daren't be truthful.

HirplesWithHaggis · 27/09/2021 14:56

I had a horrible moment there when I saw his name as thread title, I thought maybe he'd done something decent for once and I'd have to grudgingly admire him.

Phew!

ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 27/09/2021 14:54

Gncq it’s SaJid Javid.

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