I did it. I stepped up!

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The OP spoke up, the preference falsification surfaced and other people seem to have felt sufficiently comfortable that they were able to remove their pronouns.

It is silly to expect or force people to share their pronouns, especially as some people have a fragile gender identity or are questioning. Those who are happy to share will help those who want to share, but are worried. The rest of us who prefer to not be treated differently because we're women can be as anonymous as we like. Forcing people to out their gender identity is no different to forcing someone to out their address IMHO.

Well done and thanks. Every time someone stands up for themself, it makes it easier for everyone else to do so.

I'm in academia and starting a new job this week. Dreading the question really, becuase I'm not doing it, but don't want to offend anyone else who has.

I was just going for "I'm not into pronouns" and when pressed, "Yeah, no. I don't really mind how people refer to me when I'm not around" or "Her majesty" because I identify as queen of the fucking world. I think your plan might be simpler!

If someone tries to compel me to state my pronouns I'm going to quote pricnciple 6f of the Yogyakarta principles.

"F. ensure the right of all persons ordinarily to choose when, to whom and how to disclose information pertaining to their sexual orientation or gender identity, and protect all persons from arbitrary or unwanted disclosure, or threat of disclosure of such information by others"

Good for you.

I dont know why but this really irritates me along with how to pronounce my name, qualifications, job titles, some gif thing ...the stuff that comes after kind regards is getting ever longer. This one though - for large organisations to make out they're all-inclusive when the reality is that they do bugger all bar the bare minimum is just

I'm just getting ever grumpier about this crap every day!

I'll maybe just come out bluntly. 'No'.

'People should just respect no as an answer.'

I always imagine that when I'm in that situation, I will just be useless, incoherent and mumbling....

Well done OP, you did good. Thank you.

I just say I give as little personal information out at work as I can, and them asking me to do just that makes me uncomfortable so maybe they shouldn't. Which is true.
As an academic, back in the day, I used to refer to myself as Dr X DeclineandFall so if someone hadn't met me they would just assume I was a man to try and avoid the rampant misogyny.

It'll be men who will be benefiting of all these reminders of she or he. Whenever sex is made salient by reminders like these, people will live up to sex stereotypes, even if they are aware of them and try not to, because of stereotype threat.

It is not harmless!

If we stay silent and unheard we remain the monstrous bogie men the gender ideologists want to portray us as. And everyone thinks everyone else must be on board with the gender stuff.

Absolutely!

I am not employed.

But if I was, and this request was made of me... I would request further information:

I would ask if my contributions to the meeting would be taken more seriously if my pronouns were he/him. I would ask if they would allow me to speak over other colleagues, take credit for work I hadn't done, if my request for a raise would be more likely to be successful etc.

If I could not gain male privilege by changing my pronouns, I would refuse to have female ones plastered up front as a reminder to people of my my lower status in society and as a stereotype threat trigger to me.

Asking for pronouns breaches the Yogyakarta Principle 6 as you are demanding people " out" themselves.

yogyakartaprinciples.org/principles-en/

"Ensure the right of all persons ordinarily to choose when, to whom and how to disclose information pertaining to their sexual orientation or gender identity, and protect all persons from arbitrary or unwanted disclosure, or threat of disclosure of such information by others."

Well done, Rhubarb -- you didn't crumble, unlike most people up till now!

I'm delighted that many of your colleagues are now reasserting themselves. It shows it only takes one person to speak up and others will take courage on realising they're not alone.

Well done! This is a big thing and you did it!

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Well done!! It shows that one person talking up empowers all the others who are uncomfortable with this nonsense to speak up/act/refuse to comply etc.

@deadleaves because I'm pretty sure that would be seen as confrontational tbh. I feel like I need to tread more carefully but have no intention of just going along with it.