Page 8 | Starker: Not only women have a cervix

WildRunner · 2021-09-26T20:17:53+00:00

This has made me cross. Labour conference: Not right to say only women have a cervix, says Starmer https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58698406 I'm about to go for my smear test. Any man who feels like a woman is welcome to have a speculum inserted into his non-existent cervix - as long as it isn't at the expense of appointments for biological women.

OldCrone · 27/09/2021 00:19

Any time you need healthcare you will have your medical history discussed, this should include whether you have transitioned as it is medically relevant information

Are you suggesting now that sex is actually relevant?

OperationDessertStorm · 27/09/2021 00:19

@Billi77

If you spend time with trans men and women you’d know what that ‘feeling’ is. I’ve had this privilege. I will not call a trans woman a man or a trans man a woman. It’s sadistic. This is nothing new. Trans people have always been around and only now are we evolving towards more acceptance.

But we still need words to describe the 2 sexes. Facts should not be seen as offensive. If your friends needed the use of a surrogate or a sperm donor, if your friends need medicine in the correct dosage for their body, if your friends need to know if the bleeding from their genitals is normal or not, we need words to communicate effectively. That’s all.

Greencoatblue · 27/09/2021 00:18

So an individual with XY chromosome is a man.
Even though they have a uterus, ovaries, cervix, breasts and truly feels and believes they are a woman?

Hate to break it to you ozzyteabiscuit (well in honesty I don't) but that combination just doesn't exist! If you can produce one individual with XY (exact) chromosomes who has a uterus, ovaries, cervix, breasts then I'll not only eat my hat but I'll bow down before you. Have you ever done a biology lesson at all?

OldCrone · 27/09/2021 00:17

You know. Luckily for you, you have not had the experience of your body not matching the gender you feel.

Actually, I just said I didn't know. Are you suggesting that you know more about me than I know myself?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 27/09/2021 00:16

My 12 year old nibling is experiencing pelvic bleeding. Should I call a doctor, Ozzy?

ozzyteabiscuit · 27/09/2021 00:14

@ducksalive

Isn't healthcare a touch difficult if there are no categories for male and female, men & women other than feelings?

Of course, healthcare is not straight forward anyway. Any time you need healthcare you will have your medical history discussed, this should include whether you have transitioned as it is medically relevant information, the same as telling them you are diabetic or have a family history of heart disease.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 27/09/2021 00:14

@Billi77

If you spend time with trans men and women you’d know what that ‘feeling’ is. I’ve had this privilege. I will not call a trans woman a man or a trans man a woman. It’s sadistic. This is nothing new. Trans people have always been around and only now are we evolving towards more acceptance.

Oh good grief. Spent plenty of time with them thanks.

Problem is that I have a diverse friendship group beyond trans people, and so acknowledge the needs of other people too.

ducksalive · 27/09/2021 00:11

I'm actually not unsympathetic to the challenges of gender dysmorphia.
But I don't think getting confused about the unchangeable realities of sex in an effort to be kind is actually helpful.
It can in some healthcare situations be very dangerous.

Billi77 · 27/09/2021 00:11

If you spend time with trans men and women you’d know what that ‘feeling’ is. I’ve had this privilege. I will not call a trans woman a man or a trans man a woman. It’s sadistic. This is nothing new. Trans people have always been around and only now are we evolving towards more acceptance.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 27/09/2021 00:09

CiaoForNow, don't apologise. You gave me a great way to express my [surprise] at Ozzy's transphobia.

Alekto · 27/09/2021 00:08

Swyer Syndrome is a congenital condition of development on the male pathway, btw.

CiaoForNiao · 27/09/2021 00:07

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

ozzyteabiscuit If an individual has major surgery for health reasons and has uterus, ovaries, cervix removed, are they a woman?

Something about the way you phrase this suggests you think the answer is "yes". I agree, but this is awkward... How do I explain this...

CiaoForNiao Of course they are. Has anyone actually ever said otherwise?

Well, yes. The trans activists. This is the entire premise of transitional surgery, that if you remove a [person]'s uterus, ovaries, and cervix, they're not a woman any more.

And that if a [person]'s penis and testicles are removed, they're not a man any more.

Congratulations, Ozzyteabiscuit, you're a TERF too!

Yes of course the trans activists have claimed that. I should have been clearer and said "have any GC people actually said otherwise". Apologies.

In my experience the TRAs seem to contradict themselves a lot. As in almost every statement contradicts another. The whole movement will eat itself eventually.

Fitt · 27/09/2021 00:07

I'm space gender.

These are my pronouns. I have them on my email.

xeno-aligned.tumblr.com/post/184710812556/any-starspace-themed-pronouns/amp

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 27/09/2021 00:07

You know. Luckily for you, you have not had the experience of your body not matching the gender you feel.

if I have a developmentally limited child who does not have the cognitive capacity to read about gender, how do I work out whether they're going to have periods or not?
I have had the lifelong experience of my body not matching the gender I feel of "equal member of society whose opinions and knowledge base should be treated with the same respect accorded to those people over there who have fewer qualifications and years of experience than I do".

Is there a flag for this gender identity? And a shorter name?

ducksalive · 27/09/2021 00:06

Or do non binary people actually have non sexed bodies?
Again I feel healthcare would be a challenge.

Kittii · 27/09/2021 00:05

And does that mean someone who is non-binary is actually a man and a woman at the same time?

ducksalive · 27/09/2021 00:05

Isn't healthcare a touch difficult if there are no categories for male and female, men & women other than feelings?

Kittii · 27/09/2021 00:04

So do you believe it is like a soul? You can have a woman's soul in a man's body and vice versa?

Fitt · 27/09/2021 00:03

It's pink for girls and blue for boys, proper science.

ozzyteabiscuit · 27/09/2021 00:03

@Kittii

So male and female are just a "feeling"? How can you tell whether you "feel" male or female?

So in your view there is no objective definition of men and women?

Do you really, really believe that? Seriously?

100%

Fitt · 27/09/2021 00:02

Here you go!

Find out your true gender in a fun quiz.

www.playbuzz.com/gregs/what-gender-should-you-actually-be

ozzyteabiscuit · 27/09/2021 00:02

@OldCrone

What gender you feel you are.

What does this mean? How would I know if I felt like a gender?

You know. Luckily for you, you have not had the experience of your body not matching the gender you feel.

Esspee · 27/09/2021 00:01

I am a woman without a cervix. This is getting soooo confusing.

Kittii · 27/09/2021 00:01

So male and female are just a "feeling"? How can you tell whether you "feel" male or female?

So in your view there is no objective definition of men and women?

Do you really, really believe that? Seriously?

Fitt · 27/09/2021 00:00

What decides what gender they are?

There's a whole bunch of puerile quizzes on line, you can answer 5 questions and get a gender.

Kinda like a horoscope, plug in your time and date of birth and it will tell you what the stars have in store for you.

Hope that helps.