Starker: Not only women have a cervix

"Inclusive language" needs to be clear for whom it is being inclusive- people with a cervix, bodies with vaginas etc etc are not inclusive of people with poor English - the words man, woman, child are among the first words we learn in a new language

They're not suggesting transgender women who don't have a cervix go and have a smear test. That would be ridiculous.

Yeah, I thought that and then I read this by TW India Willoughby:

I have a cervix. Get checked by the NHS every few years. Demeaning talking about it @AndrewMarr9. You absolutely know this a work-around way of calling women who are T men, leading into all the other bigotry. #Marr

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Isn't healthcare a touch difficult if there are no categories for male and female, men & women other than feelings?

Of course, healthcare is not straight forward anyway. Any time you need healthcare you will have your medical history discussed, this should include whether you have transitioned as it is medically relevant information, the same as telling them you are diabetic or have a family history of heart disease.

Oh dear I'm afraid you're not up to date, as well as demonstrating transphobia.

A doctor cannot reveal the sex of a trans patient without their permission, even when referring them to a specialist. So if there is a problem with, say, pregnancy, the doctor has to say something neutral like check for abdominal pain.

A GP on here also revealed that to discuss the sex of the patient without permission would be a criminal offence. Not civil, criminal.

Your desire for even a tiny bit of nuance will have you branded a transphobic bigot and, if you're a doctor, potentially arrested.

I really want to know why "people with vaginas" should be paying for elective surgery to remove their uterus, ovaries and cervix, when it doesn't change their gender, doesn't change their sex/there is no such thing as sex, and DOES cost them money and endanger their longterm health?

Anyone?

Why can't they be "people with vaginas" and a gender identity for free?

Well as a member of the Labour Party, this is seriously depressing. I don’t think Kier really believes this rubbish. He is just trying to avoid alienating a large, nasty group, but sometimes you need to stand up and say what you believe. This is one of those times. So many people and organisations now tip toe around trans issues for fear of unleashing the trans activists against them 🤬

Inclusivity my arse...

I doubt any of these people would say the following sentences to be 'inclusive':

• BRITISH PEOPLE and foreign nationals living in Britain, and people who live in Britain who have British passports who don't identify as British, and people from other countries that are not Britain but hate inclement weather LOVE TO MOAN and also not moan ABOUT THE WEATHER and other things not related to the weather.

• YOU and anyone else of my acquaintance who enjoys outdoor activities in green spaces designed by humans SHOULD TAKE A WALK or run or hop, or hobble, or skip, or crawl, or wheel, or ride AROUND THE GARDENS, THEY ARE LOVELY THIS TIME OF YEAR and at other times of year depending on your preferences.

• HUMANS EXIST BECAUSE God made us, Gods made us, Goddesses made us, and aliens put us here, and we sprung up out of the ground, and we sprang from nothingness, and we have always existed and we are part of a simulation, WE EVOLVED.

Inclusivity sounds lovely but it is also fucking useless.

My gender is...

Male!

No matter what gender you were born, you sure think like a male! You're an analytical thinker, you like to get your hands dirty, perform physical labor and a cold beer at the end of the day. You sometimes thinks that the whole world rests on your shoulders, and that you have to take care of everything around you. A word of advice - turn to the other people in your life and seek help at times, it's just as rewarding

Will Oldcrone get an answer?

If a cervix is male, female and non binary how can it be in the wrong body?

Apparently I'm a man! I think it was because I said I liked roast chicken 🍗 and would want to be a barista rather than a cleaner or a host

That explains a lot. If this silly quiz is telling baristas they're men it's no surprise Starbucks are funding mastectomies for staff.

Given that we've agreed that removing one's organs doesn't change people's sex, or the way they feel about themselves, then we come to a really, really, really big issue.

WHY ARE WE TELLING SOME PEOPLE TO GET THEIR UTERUSES REMOVED BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY FEEL ABOUT THEMSELVES, WHEN IT CARRIES SERIOUS RISKS FOR THEIR LONGTERM HEALTH? And encouraging them to spend thousands on getting this done as private surgery?

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Post Hysterectomy Vaginal Vault Prolapse

What is a vaginal vault prolapse?

Vaginal vault prolapse commonly occurs following a hysterectomy (removal of the uterus (womb)). Because the uterus provides support for the top of the vagina, this condition occurs in up to 40% of women after a hysterectomy.

In a vaginal vault prolapse, the top of the vagina gradually falls toward the vaginal opening. Eventually, the top of the vagina may protrude out of the body through the vaginal opening, effectively turning the vagina inside out. A vaginal vault prolapse is often accompanied by the weakness and prolapse of walls of the vagina.

www.oxfordgynaecology.com/conditions-we-treat/vaginal-prolapse/post-hysterectomy-vault-prolapse/

The “inclusivity” argument is just not true. If people cared about inclusivity then it’d work both ways. Why is it only females who have to be known as “people with cervixes” or “menstrators” etc? Whereas it’s just “men” when they’re talking about male issues. You never see “people with penises”.
It’s totally sexist and does even try to hide it.

I’m disappointed in Starmer as I thought he was trying to handle this issue with care. We need a good opposition and silliness like this just puts regular people off.

Also the argument that you should reconstruct reality based on people’s feelings doesn’t apply when it comes to people who feel they are a different race. Why do their feelings not matter in the same way?

[quote ozzyteabiscuit]@CiaoForNiao

I can't reply to your quotes message, but I was alluded to what I believe your answers would be, in that yes she is a woman.

My answer is whatever they feel they are.

I don't believe somebodies gender changes based on what organs have been removed or added, they are still whatever gender they feel. Happy for them to have their own opinion on their own body though. [/quote]
Well I don't believe organ removal affects gender either because gender is made up but what has that got to do with referring to women (which is a biological term) as "individuals with a cervix"?
If you have a cervix you're a woman (biological term) regardless of what you identify as.

I don't believe somebodies gender changes based on what organs have been removed or added, they are still whatever gender they feel.

But if female and male, woman and man, have no meaning other than how someone feels, what is it that they are identifying with?

If a man is just anyone who says they're a man and a woman is anyone who says they're a woman, how would I know whether I identify as a man or a woman?

[quote Fitt]Here you go!

Find out your true gender in a fun quiz.

www.playbuzz.com/gregs/what-gender-should-you-actually-be[/quote]
Apparently I'm a man! I think it was because I said I liked roast chicken 🍗 and would want to be a barista rather than a cleaner or a host. Well then, you learn something new every day! And here was me thinking I am.a body with a vagina and a cervix haver.

Any time you need healthcare you will have your medical history discussed, this should include whether you have transitioned as it is medically relevant information,

To trans in any way you have to move from something to something.
There needs to clear definitions of what you are starting from and moving to for this to be possible.
So we need sex definitions and an understanding of the difference between sex and gender.

Then why do you keep talking about organ removal?

So you think gender and sex AREN'T the same thing?

It’s sadistic.

So is referring to women and girls as "bodies with vaginas" or "menstruators". Utterly repulsive. The language of incels.

Something else that's sadistic is locking women up with rapists. That's where denying reality and pretending being a woman or a man is nothing more than feelings gets us. So I'm never going to play along with it. Those women in prison are human beings too, they don't deserve to be caged with men who rape women just to spare men's feelings.

@CiaoForNiao

I can't reply to your quotes message, but I was alluded to what I believe your answers would be, in that yes she is a woman.

My answer is whatever they feel they are.

I don't believe somebodies gender changes based on what organs have been removed or added, they are still whatever gender they feel. Happy for them to have their own opinion on their own body though.

People are free to choose their own identities, wear what they like, change names etc. but there is no medication nor treatment to swap an X for a Y chromosome.

Transwomen are transwomen and in every body cell with DNA they are males.