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Starker: Not only women have a cervix

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WildRunner · 26/09/2021 21:17

This has made me cross.

Labour conference: Not right to say only women have a cervix, says Starmer www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58698406

I'm about to go for my smear test. Any man who feels like a woman is welcome to have a speculum inserted into his non-existent cervix - as long as it isn't at the expense of appointments for biological women.

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/09/2021 14:39

Oh dear! And we are supposed to be the unreasonable ones!

Helleofabore · 27/09/2021 14:36

And there is one of those generalisations again. Keep it coming !!!

Lokdok · 27/09/2021 14:30

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MissMaple82 · 27/09/2021 14:27

Also a trans man with a vagina and cervix is STILL a woman

Helleofabore · 27/09/2021 14:27

What's happening is you're becoming radicalised by all the transphobic shite on here. Disgusting.

Could you please give some examples of transphobia on this site?

And I hope you realise that making derogatory and false generalisations about any particular group is against the guidelines for this site.

MissMaple82 · 27/09/2021 14:26

Trans people need to stop being so precious. The world doesn't revolve around them. They are the minority - they should not want to change wordings to suit their needs. A woman's identity should not be taken away at their expense

WarriorN · 27/09/2021 14:24

Careful lok, your tone is abusive and you could be modded yourself.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/09/2021 14:23

To vote tory?? Something severe must have happened to alter any sane person's mental state. I suspect that was the point being made.

Pity you missed it!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/09/2021 14:22

And think it through radicalised who uses language like that?

Are we to take it that the implication is that women talking about being women is akin to terrorism?

Oh, yes, of course! Ongoing court case about ribbons; many other hate crimes including stickers. Of course that's your implication @Lokdok

Pshaw!

Lokdok · 27/09/2021 14:20

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OddSockReunion · 27/09/2021 14:20

@Lokdok if one group if people is stating scientific facts and another is throthing at them in outrage for having done so, it's a pretty safe bet that it is the latter that have been radicalised.

yourhairiswinterfire · 27/09/2021 14:16

What's happening is you're becoming radicalised by all the transphobic shite on here. Disgusting.

Yeah, couldn't possibly be that women are capable of forming their own opinions on the subject all by themselves, could it? Must have been radicalised 🙄

CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/09/2021 14:15

What's happening is you're becoming radicalised by all the transphobic shite on here. Disgusting. Report anything you see that is transphobic... t'ain't allowed.

But do be advised that women talking about womens issues isn't transphobic. And that stating that men don't have a cervix isn't either.

Your problem @Lokdok is you haven't actually read and digested what is being said here. You've surface browsed and found women dissenting from your own world view!

That's "disagreeing with you" in old money!

DottyHarmer · 27/09/2021 14:12

What about children? Who do you give “the period talk” to? Presumably schools will have to treat all children as if they all might menstruate and might have a variety of body parts, including a cervix, as if biology were some sort of buffet from which you can select characteristics.

BloomingTrees · 27/09/2021 14:11

Medical information needs to be simple and clear

It also needs to be this for medical emergencies.
A&E doctors need to know straight away if someone if male or female, not what their gender identity is.
Fortunately, it's not hard for them to tell from just looking.

TheFirstMrsDV · 27/09/2021 14:05

@ozzyteabiscuit it is not inclusive language.
Its exclusive.
Medical information needs to be simple and clear or it makes it much harder for women with learning disabilities, Deaf women and women with English as a second language to access health care.
Women with LDs, as a group, have a life expectancy of 30 years less than those without. This is partly down to poor uptake of screening and other health opportunities.
Your average TM is educated, white and middle class. Please do not tell me that a female with short hair who wears trousers and calls themselves Luke is more vulnerable than a woman with LDs.
I am not having it and I am sick of hearing it.

Kittii · 27/09/2021 14:04

Next stop TRAs will be protesting outside schools and wanting to burn "transphobic" biology textbooks because science isn't inclusive enough.

WarriorN · 27/09/2021 14:01

Well, please do report any transphobic comments as the mods here are very strict.

Doesn't seem to be a cheese hole thread this one, funny that. 🧀

BECAUSE ITS NOT TRANSPHOBIC TO SAY ONLY WOMEN HAVE CERVIXES.

Lokdok · 27/09/2021 13:56

@Franca123

Yep. Tory all the way. Never thought I'd say that. Wtaf is happening.
What's happening is you're becoming radicalised by all the transphobic shite on here. Disgusting.
Ekofisk · 27/09/2021 13:53

There is no other commonly used word for 'the cervix'. 'The neck of the womb' refers to a larger part of the organ.

“Gebärmutterhals” is the German word for cervix and literally translates as “womb mother neck”.

OddSockReunion · 27/09/2021 13:42

Gender is a social construct that should be decided by the individual.

@ozzyteabiscuit it is a social construct that is offensive and oppressive to women in particular. It should be fought against and its nefarious influence on society removed, for the good of everyone. Not enshrined in law or for those who oppose the oppression to be publicly attacked, humiliated, accused of killing people, etc. Stigmatised for fighting against their own oppression just because somebody else is in favour of it continuing.

This is the interests of women, men and trans people. Without these harmful stereotypes things would be much better for everyone except misogynists and I don't understand why that isn't obvious to some people.

Thelnebriati · 27/09/2021 13:40

Well technically I could say that all humans have 'a cervix', because the definition is 'a neck'.
But I would be a pedantic arse if I pretend that we don't know the word specifically refers to 'the cervix', part of the female reproductive organs.

There is no other commonly used word for 'the cervix'. 'The neck of the womb' refers to a larger part of the organ.

WarriorN · 27/09/2021 13:31

Sorry, off topic, I think Emma Barnett asked for the play to become time for her to run her more news-y style talk show responding to current affairs impacting women.

There's definitely much more of this now.

EarthSight · 27/09/2021 13:26

@ozzyteabiscuit

They're not suggesting transgender women who don't have a cervix go and have a smear test. That would be ridiculous. You seem to have misunderstood. They suggest merely saying 'individuals with a cervix' so as not to alienate transgender men who also have a cervix and therefore need to have cervical exams for their own safety. They're not taking away appointments from women just suggesting a change in the language used to be inclusive.
'Woman' has meant 'adult human female' (biological reference) for a very long time now. It's only recently that a small minority of people have attempted to wrestle away that meaning from women and change it completely.
ArabellaScott · 27/09/2021 13:26

@WarriorN

Oooh Emma Im loving you more each week!
She did great!
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