Starker: Not only women have a cervix

Thank you for the encouragement to listen to today's Women's Hour. It was worth it. Thank you Emma Barnett

@RVN123 interestingly I saw someone use this argument earlier as "I have had my womb removed am I not a woman" i think there needs to be some kind of "at birth" argument here to really take home the point!

Re radicalisation, I've done the GOV online prevent training for work, which is all around how radicalisation works.

It describes how TRAs and gender ideology works to a tea. Not mumsnet.

Especially alienation from parents, binary no debate thinking etc.

It's always reassuring to see the predictability of people complaining that we are transphobic, which isn't allowed under guidelines, followed by all their posts being deleted for breaking guidelines.

And please don't be so obtuse as to trot out the "what if a woman has a hysterectomy" etc.
We all know they are female to their very cells, forever, unchangeably and immutably.
It's so overdone as to be laughable quite frankly.

""This is not solved by using the phrase 'women and trans men' it's just another way of suggesting trans men are women which they aren't.""

Science disagrees with you.
Genetics disagrees with you.
Evolution disagrees with you.
Established facts of physiology, anatomy and biology disagrees with you.

And PLEASE stop rolling out the old "what about intersex people" line. They represent less than 0.018% of the population, and it has been shown that the incidence of intersex conditions in the trans community is no higher than that of the rest of the population.
Within the 0.018% it is almost always possible through karotyping to identify if the individual in question is male or female.
Not to mention the fact that those with DSDs have repeatedly asked not to be used as some kind of argument for any of this.

No matter what your individual belief system or what you think about how people identify, biology CANNOT be denied. It will NEVER change, and in 100'000 years human beings will still be sexually dimorphic, there will still be males and females, and they will still have either XX or XY chromosomes (apart from a tiny minority).

And all the word salad, butchering of language and hand wringing won't change that.

Oh and I forgot:

(Not mine) you can get badges.

There's also a book recently published about the mn radical feminism revolution

Twitter is still a delight:

What's happening is you're becoming radicalised by all the transphobic shite on here. Disgusting.

It's identity shite that's being discussed. If discussing identity shite is transphobic and disgusting then I suggest it's the identity shite that has some intrinsic problems.

Father Ted would need more than a nice cup of tea after that.

Yes, ducksalive, it's a term that hs been hijacked and is now used to mean almost anything.

wingsoverscotland.com/everything-is-transphobic/

Director's Cut for LocDoc:
Craggy Islander; 'So Father, I hear you're a racist now'
FT: What. Well ok, I have visited Mumsnet...

The first time I realized that some of my views, like it isn't possible to change sex and allowing men into female prisons was a safeguarding risk were considered transphobic I was upset and shocked. I'd never been considered any type of phobic.

But I have come to realize that it is a term that is used to silence dissent. One used to try and prevent serious adult conversations about issues like safeguarding because of the paucity of arguments possessed by some activists.
A childish screaming of its not fair.
It is a descriptor that has lost any meaning for me past, " shut up, I can't actually rationally debate these serious issues with you"

New Farher Ted script unearthed:
Dougal: So Ted, is it true we can all have a cervix now?
Ted: Yes Dougal, sometimes.
Dougal: Oh great. Ted..what is a cervix?
Ted: Erm, ahh. Mrs Doyle might know.

You forgot the Stormfront, neo Nazi allusion: To read then feminist boards you you must be fascist, racist, anti semitic, Holocaust denying, hate filled...

@CuriousaboutSamphire haha yes - jeez I'm being caught out now!

According to Lok it is 'transphobic' to be a feminist, to support women's rights. It is 'radicalisation' to consider voting Tory (best report that straight away, the govt takes radicalisation very seriously and they'll have a bunch of work to do if every Tory voter now needs to be reported). And women on here are not 'sane' (note the dig at mental health. Classy).

Lok, you're an absolute disgrace. Grow up.

Oh! That was so good @JazzyBBG right until the very last line. I found myself doing the same a while ago, then realised what I had done

It will put more women at risk, not less.

Pretty much the whole of the feminism board

Can you give specific examples?

Is objecting to women and girls being called ''bodies with vaginas'' like we're breeding stock ''transphobic''?

Is objecting to rapists being locked up with women in prison ''transphobic''?

Is knowing that a woman is more than just a feeling in someone's head ''transphobic''?

What's your definition of transphobia?

Maybe Lokdok could address some of the points being raised on this thread?

All the arguing about this deflects from some real serious issues - eg not enough women going for smear tests. How can we overcome problems like these if we can't even identify who should be going? It will put more people at risk, not less.

Women requiring to keep equal rights is not like 'racism' or 'radicalisation'. That's as ridiculous as claiming that anyone other than a woman has a cervix. You'd have to come from a fairly extremist pov to be able to view it that way.