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Starmer on Marr now

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Jaysmith71 · 26/09/2021 09:47

We must have a tolerent debate.... Trans community are the most marginalised community of all

....and 'Only women have a cervix' is, "Something that should not be said."

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Jaysmith71 · 26/09/2021 13:39

I can't vote Tory. My hand would cut my other hand off using the front door key as a hacksaw if it so much as touched the stubby pencil with the intent of voting Tory.

I have been open to voting Green since the 80s, if only they would grow up and start offering practical routemaps and not just desired destinations.

I have voted LD in the past, but not in a while since they started electing tossers like Clegg, Swinson and Davey as their leader.

I am Count Binface-Curious.

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PronounssheRa · 26/09/2021 13:37

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-rosie-duffield-25074709

Keir Starmer says Rosie Duffield trans comments 'not right' and urges 'mature debate'

This is how the mirror have reported it

Abhannmor · 26/09/2021 13:36

@JustSpeculation

Well, maybe he will clarify exactly what he meant..!

He desperately wants not to have to have a view. You have two views which are incompatible. You either have a Carthaginian solution, where one view wipes out the other, or you have an accommodation. His own left wing won't let him accommodate.

Rosie Duffield is not on his left wing.
OvaHere · 26/09/2021 13:36

I am genuinely really sad about this.

Yep. Sad

NewMutiny · 26/09/2021 13:34

@OvaHere

twitter.com/sajidjavid/status/1442082718402154498

Total denial of scientific fact.

And he wants to run the NHS.

Sajid saying what we are all thinking.

Well I think that's proof positive that the Tories have seen the way the wind is blowing and decided which way they are going.

I am willing to vote Tory over this I have decided. I have voted against my financial beat interests for many years - as an ideological Socialist - but I won't vote for safeguarding for my daughter to be dismantled. And I think I will now actively vote against it.

I actually never thought I would say this.

I'll write to my (Tory) MP again before the next election just to check that he is TWAM. I assume this stance will only get stronger within the party between then and now.

I am genuinely really sad about this.

OnlyTheLangOfTheTitberg · 26/09/2021 13:34

When is your next smear test due, Keir?

teawamutu · 26/09/2021 13:33

@Signalbox

Who is left? Can it really be the Tories? The Tories who are overseeing the placement of males in women's prisons. Who oversee a system where women get locked in prison with males who are therefore given a free opportunity to sexually assault and intimidate them. Who oversee this dystopia for women and girls.

This is so frustrating. The Tories are currently in a position to put clear blue water between themselves and the other parties by unequivocally supporting women’s right to have certain spaces that remain male free. But they won’t even use the exceptions in the Equality Act for the most obvious and necessary situation where they would apply (women’s prisons). This would be such a great example as to how service users can implement the exceptions in practice and show that the Tories are actually serious in their support of women’s single sex services and the EA.

I think this is now the time to really push the Tories on prisons, hospitals and the rest of it
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Jaysmith71 · 26/09/2021 13:32

What a mess they're in!

and What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

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groundcontroltomontydon · 26/09/2021 13:32

Labour spends too much of its time listening to lobbyists and not enough time listening to the electorate

ChristinaXYZ · 26/09/2021 13:31

"The political purity spiral is designed to make a group smaller and smaller and concentrate power in fewer and fewer hands. Ultimately with the last question to those who are prepared to lie to maintain their place in the progressive religious hierarchy. Nobody actually believes [insert phrase du jour]. It’s a question of allegiance, it’s a purity test."

savageminds.substack.com/p/purity-spirals-and-true-believers

Fitt · 26/09/2021 13:31

He will have to get a lot clearer if he's in charge of the Labour party debate on this.

If he clarifies that now to Rosie's benefit he will cause a riot.

What a mess they're in!

JustSpeculation · 26/09/2021 13:30

Well, maybe he will clarify exactly what he meant..!

He desperately wants not to have to have a view. You have two views which are incompatible. You either have a Carthaginian solution, where one view wipes out the other, or you have an accommodation. His own left wing won't let him accommodate.

Signalbox · 26/09/2021 13:29

Who is left? Can it really be the Tories? The Tories who are overseeing the placement of males in women's prisons. Who oversee a system where women get locked in prison with males who are therefore given a free opportunity to sexually assault and intimidate them. Who oversee this dystopia for women and girls.

This is so frustrating. The Tories are currently in a position to put clear blue water between themselves and the other parties by unequivocally supporting women’s right to have certain spaces that remain male free. But they won’t even use the exceptions in the Equality Act for the most obvious and necessary situation where they would apply (women’s prisons). This would be such a great example as to how service users can implement the exceptions in practice and show that the Tories are actually serious in their support of women’s single sex services and the EA.

Congressdingo · 26/09/2021 13:28

@TooWicked

I truly am politically homeless.

If Shahrar Ali isn’t voted in as leader of the Greens, my next ballot paper will be stickered until there’s no paper showing.

Ooh i like this idea.
PronounssheRa · 26/09/2021 13:27

@Fitt

From the transcript, it could be that he is (attempting to) say that it should not be said that it is transphobic to say that only women have a cervix.

After my earlier chortling I am now prepared to think he was saying that Rosie shouldn't be called transphobic.

Mmm.

You have more faith in Labour than I do. He could have explicitly called out the abuse Rosie is subjected to, he didn't.
Bordois · 26/09/2021 13:22

@Fitt

From the transcript, it could be that he is (attempting to) say that it should not be said that it is transphobic to say that only women have a cervix.

After my earlier chortling I am now prepared to think he was saying that Rosie shouldn't be called transphobic.

Mmm.

Well, maybe he will clarify exactly what he meant..!
Datun · 26/09/2021 13:22

Well, one thing is for sure, enough people think he said you can't say only women have a cervix.

And that's two party leaders, now, who have been asked a question which makes them look ridiculous.

This is not going away.

Fitt · 26/09/2021 13:18

Completely agree with Charlie Parley's post.

Stephen Whittle was claiming last year that although it could be a long wait they know Labour will do exactly what they want when they next get into government.

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Jaysmith71 · 26/09/2021 13:17

"What the bloody hell is a pavement fucker? Please don't tell me it's someone who fucks pavements."

Well, yes and no.

If you really want to know, you can click:

bit.ly/3ueKvId

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Fitt · 26/09/2021 13:15

From the transcript, it could be that he is (attempting to) say that it should not be said that it is transphobic to say that only women have a cervix.

After my earlier chortling I am now prepared to think he was saying that Rosie shouldn't be called transphobic.

Mmm.

BettyFilous · 26/09/2021 13:12

Who will the students vote for though, @Judashascomeintosomemoney? Or will Rosie Duffield be deselected by then and they'll get a shiny new non-heretical, biologically illiterate Labour candidate?

If they do this, Rosie should stand as an independent in Canterbury. I’d chip in for her deposit.

BlackForestCake · 26/09/2021 13:12

Your vote is dependent on someone's opinion on Trans issues?

No, it's not that.

Politicians pretending to believe something that they know is not true, and demanding others pretend to believe it too, is the issue.

That is totalitarianism.

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Jaysmith71 · 26/09/2021 13:11

@PickAChew

"The trans community, as I say, are the most marginalised and abused of many, many communities and we need to make progress on the Gender Recognition Act."

I see no "among" here.

First reference, they are 'amongst' the most marginalised.

Second reference, in the space of two paragraphs, they have become "the most marginalised..."

Starmer on Marr now
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Datun · 26/09/2021 13:11

@Jaysmith71

To be fair, he did say "among the most marginalised...."

The Most Most Marginalised would be groups such as flat-earthers, exclusive bretheren and pavement-fuckers.

Trans are not necessarily as marginalised as these, but they are "among" them.

What the bloody hell is a pavement fucker? Please don't tell me it's someone who fucks pavements.
OvaHere · 26/09/2021 13:10

twitter.com/sajidjavid/status/1442082718402154498

Total denial of scientific fact.

And he wants to run the NHS.

Sajid saying what we are all thinking.