Starmer on Marr now

I saw your post EdgeOfACoin and I'm shocked it was deleted.

Julia Long just asked Emily Thornberry "Emily, do only women have cervixes?" Emily's reply "My cousin has a cervix and he's a man".

But anybody giving Emily Thornberry’s cousin medical treatment needs to know that this isn’t true.

Not at all grasping that transwomen come from a cohort of about, what is it, a quarter of a million? And women come from a cohort of what is it 25, 30 million?

"Trans" and "Onlywomenhaveacervix" have been trending on twitter all day. I doubt that this is what Keir wanted to be the take away from his interview.

My theory is that Labour don't actually want to be in power at the moment. I don't know why.

There is a wide open goal - we have an openly corrupt government, the tail end of a global pandemic, a climate emergency, a self inflicted worsening of our economy together with a venal leader who seems at his happiest lying and who blows with the wind with regard to policy - and instead of taking them on, KS is deliberately booting the ball off the pitch into the stands to the rapturous applause of a bunch of blue hairs...

mobile.twitter.com/sargesalute/status/1442149471417090051

Beyond parody

Julia Long just asked Emily Thornberry "Emily, do only women have cervixes?" Emily's reply "My cousin has a cervix and he's a man".

@PronounssheRa I said that on another thread, looking at IW tweets in recent days, I don’t think IW is in a good place, and I don’t think IW is getting the traction and validation IW expects. I think a lot of followers didn’t take too kindly to her tweets about JHB.

To me, this really feels like critical mass. Finally.

Many people would accommodate transwomen (because let's face it, it's transwomen, not transmen), by being courteous, in terms of pronouns etc.

But saying that women are not allowed to identify their sex and that men have cervices is just a departure from any kind of reality.

Sticking to the party line, in the teeth of mass challenge, just makes it all worse. It looks like unhinged zealotry.

Which, of course, it is. And many women saw it coming.

I can remember talking about sport, I think it was, and being scoffed at with posters saying oh come on, datun, men would never be allowed to compete with women...

If its not its quite the most ludicrous thing i have ever ever heard on mumsnet and ive lurked on loads of brexit threads

And another one John McDonnell
womansplaceuk.org/2021/09/26/john-mcdonnell-on-lbc/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&s=09

John McDonnell was asked the same question, “Is it transphobic to say only women have a cervix” Answer “It all depends on the context”
The same question was asked in various ways..read on for all the ways ‘context’ can be used.
#OnlyWomenHaveACervix t.co/bfRYzphCFD

I honestly believe many, many more summits have been reached this weekend. I told my husband about Marr this morning and he said ‘well that’s it then for Labour’. He thought what Starmer said was worse than the ‘bodies with vaginas’. I disagree, but whatever, scales are falling everywhere, light is streaming in. I feel women have been seriously under attack in these last two weeks, but I think it’s ‘jumped the shark’ (is that the phrase?) now. Doesn’t help us politically in the short term mind, and we are relying on the appalling Tories to hold the line on this issue, and if the ‘TWAW’ people all double down then we are particularly vulnerable, but I do have heart that the majority of the population now know that this is complete batshit.

I suspect Indias understanding of what a cervix is, and what a cervix actually is, are two very different things.

I agree with a previous posters observation that India seems to be spiralling.

This didn't make me laugh. Have they all rehearsed this.

Well, cervix = neck so technically we all have a neck...

It's inverted penile tissue that needs periodic testing for HPV-related cancer.

Okay. Mumsnet have said they are looking at reinstating my post. Let's see.

I couldn't show anyone my cervix without the aid of a medical bed, speculum and strong lighting.

A few years ago a GP surgery of my acquaintance in a UK university city was put in the position of fending off demands from a man of diverse gender identity who wanted a smear test performed. I do not know where he wanted the brush inserted.

This made me laugh.

Here's another one

[quote OldCrone]They took exactly the stance a centre left party would be expected to take and the stance logically consistent with left wing ideology.

Why is this 'expected' of centre left parties? And why is it logically consistent with left wing ideology? Left wing parties such as the communists tend to be against this.

The present debate around self-identification conflates “sex” and “gender” and fails to understand that challenging the specific discrimination faced by trans people is not served by undermining resistance to the centuries-old oppression of women as a biological sex.

For women, the result is that their collective rights as a group are currently being undermined through the weaponisation of a post-modern identity politics, focused solely on the rights of individuals.

morningstaronline.co.uk/article/women-class-and-gender-%E2%80%93-communist-perspective[/quote]

Some more thoughts from the left:

https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1363/orthodoxy-and-its-discontents/