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Starmer on Marr now

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Jaysmith71 · 26/09/2021 09:47

We must have a tolerent debate.... Trans community are the most marginalised community of all

....and 'Only women have a cervix' is, "Something that should not be said."

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OvaHere · 26/09/2021 10:09

and 'Only women have a cervix' is, "Something that should not be said."

Well that's a pity Keir because I suspect it's a phrase that's going to be said more than ever now you, a penis haver man, have said we can't say it.

"Only women have a cervix" - coming soon on all good feminist merchandise. Grin

Melroses · 26/09/2021 10:08

Only women have a cervix' is, "Something that should not be said."

That's throwing Rosie Duffield to the wolves then. Hmm

ThatSunnyCorner · 26/09/2021 10:07

Labour has always traditionally done well with younger voter. Younger women, on the whole are more likely to be TRA. Like all political parties running up to an election they are only interested in votes. Labour is a lost cause on this issue.

This. I don't think he's believes what he is saying for a single second, but Labour's only hope is the vote of young people. He's trying to appeal to them. Whilst throwing women under the bus. Clearly we are expendable collateral damage and that'll be yet another spoiled ballot from me.

Jaysmith71 · 26/09/2021 10:07

We are in full-on Blasphemy territory here.

Not only can not not argue there is no god. You cannot even say it.

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Fallagain · 26/09/2021 10:07

Thanks @OvaHere I’m not surprised but I’m disappointed.

Theunamedcat · 26/09/2021 10:06

A debate where you cannot discuss is no debate at all

OvaHere · 26/09/2021 10:05

@Fallagain

Labour has always traditionally done well with younger voter. Younger women, on the whole are more likely to be TRA. Like all political parties running up to an election they are only interested in votes. Labour is a lost cause on this issue.

Out of interest does anyone know if reclaim the streets have an official line on the trans debate?

Yes they are TWAW.
Datun · 26/09/2021 10:05

@Jaysmith71

How can we have the debate if we are not allowed to say the words?
Exactly. I sincerely hope that journalists and interviewers can refine their questions to just get there quicker.
Datun · 26/09/2021 10:04

Lots of people may not understand the debate especially in terms of women's rights, or may not even be interested.

But they will think that not being allowed to say that only women have a cervix is complete idiocy. Woke at its stupid wokest.

Not a good look, especially when Liz Truss said the absolute opposite.

And the arrogance of it. Women are not allowed to say that only women have a cervix, but there must be respectful debate. Respectful? When he's just demanded that we're not allowed to say sex is based on biology?

Fuck off with this delusional shit.

Jaysmith71 · 26/09/2021 10:03

How can we have the debate if we are not allowed to say the words?

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dyslek · 26/09/2021 10:00

Starmer has to be seen in context (Starmer himself, as a person, has no convictions on this issue, possibly on any issue really, but thats another story)
Starmer totally knows this is cray town nonsesens that is toxic to the electorate, but he does not care.
Starmers only got one job, and that job has nothing to do with putting forward convincing Laour Party policies or even winning elections.
Starmer was shoved in on a blag to stop any actual left candidate becoming the leader of a political party that could credibly win an election in the UK. Starmers only job is to do everything he can to a) make sure he sticks in his position to keep out a leftwing candiate and b) if possible change some rules so the LP are never again in the position where a real left movement can take controle.

Everyone can make of that what they want, in terms of how much they respect Starmer.

MidsomerMurmurs · 26/09/2021 09:59

@thinkningaboutit

*Keir
Nah he probably identifies as a Keith.
WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld · 26/09/2021 09:58

AR is vile
I was so hopeful several years ago to have a working class women in politics, what a disappointment.
I am properly working class and have a strong regional accent. I also have a professional job. I would lose my job if I used that language.
My accent is lazy, we ignore vowels and drop the ends off words. I don't change my accent but, at work, I speak more slowly and don't lose the ends of words. If I am delivering training I use the full words, still with my accent
She is dining out on her background and, I was going to say accent but it's not, rough language perhaps?

Fallagain · 26/09/2021 09:57

Labour has always traditionally done well with younger voter. Younger women, on the whole are more likely to be TRA. Like all political parties running up to an election they are only interested in votes. Labour is a lost cause on this issue.

Out of interest does anyone know if reclaim the streets have an official line on the trans debate?

Jaysmith71 · 26/09/2021 09:57

It's this 'most marginalised' crap that keeps getting trotted out.

There are people sleeping on the streets.

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littlbrowndog · 26/09/2021 09:56

@thinkningaboutit

So frustrating, straight on to trans rights, nothing about women.

According to Keith we should not say only women have a cervix.

I worry people watching won't really get what that was all about and what the implications are.

I think they will get it.

It was like why are is this man saying you can’t say only women have cervix’s and why talking about trans.

FreeBritnee · 26/09/2021 09:56

Weak, weak man.

AnyOldPrion · 26/09/2021 09:56

Marr, not Mark…

AnyOldPrion · 26/09/2021 09:55

Is it over? Did Andrew Mark really not push him on this issue?

If Starmer genuinely implied that some men have a cervix, then Marr should have been in there and pushing to demonstrate to the general public what a fool he is. A real missed opportunity if he didn’t.

thinkningaboutit · 26/09/2021 09:54

*Keir

littlbrowndog · 26/09/2021 09:54

I have never seen starmer speak before

Not missed much.

Keeps saying well look

thinkningaboutit · 26/09/2021 09:54

So frustrating, straight on to trans rights, nothing about women.

According to Keith we should not say only women have a cervix.

I worry people watching won't really get what that was all about and what the implications are.

BettyFilous · 26/09/2021 09:53

I spoiled my ballot in May for the first time ever, couldn’t not vote. Looks like I’ll be doing the same at the next GE. Sigh.

littlbrowndog · 26/09/2021 09:53

Why don’t the interviewser just say. We are talking about women

The ones who have an epidemic of violence against them

The cervix havers

TheABC · 26/09/2021 09:53

So 51% of the electorate don't matter and can't even be named?
Good luck with that.